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Hi Al
I saw that one also and I haven’t tried to figure out what it is yet. I have no clue and would have to start looking.
I can see where the inventor might be coming from with that partial sight hood though. It would be interesting to look down the barrel.
Brad
I’ve been curious about the PAT NOV 4 1902 tin tipped steel sights on 1894s for awhile. There is a little bit of information on them under the 1908-1915 section from the patent. Most of the ones I’ve found have been standard sporting front sights and they have been on rifles made from approximately 1910-1920. I saw what I guess is a 61 series carbine blade on a 25-20 1892, DOM 1913, with a couple special order options and took some pictures. I have no idea if it was originally on the rifle and the pin looks a little crude maybe. Does anyone have these carbine blade sights with tin tipping and the PAT NOV 4 1902 stamp on an 1894 carbine and if so an approximate serial number range?
Thanks,
Brad
Here’s a typical rifle sight:
Carbine:
Hi Brad. Of all my 1894 SRC’s only one has a dated sight with a tin tip. # 604890 PR dated 4-28-1913. It also has the 3 leaf Express rear with NO platinum line. A real nice carbine, I bought this 17 years ago at a local college gun show. We do things differently here in Utah. Big Larry
Thanks Big Larry. I had that one from you on my spreadsheet but did not have that extra info on the front sight blade recorded. That helps a lot and it is another one of that style from around that time period.
Brad
Thanks everyone for viewing this thread subject over 5000 times since inception of the Sights section of the forum. I have not been working on the 1894 sight research quite as much as I could be as of late. I plan to be revising the five parts into one analysis PDF file sometime this year.
Here’s something that I have found interesting and have wondered about. This is a page from a 1900 Savage Arms Co. Utica, NY catalog. Savage would give their own numerical designation to sights by Lyman, etc. in their early catalogs. Of interest to me are the Sporting Leaf and the Express Sight on this page, especially the WRACo trademark on the Express Sight they identify as the No.13. I have seen some early Savages with the Winchester Express Sight on them, and it looked like it was installed long ago. I generally think of these as Winchester sights and I’m curious how the relationship with Savage worked.
Brad
I have 2 questions if I could
What do the 3 #s mean on the 3 leaf express rear site? 50,1,2
Also my 1894 is from 1906, it has the #42 & 24 stamped in front of the trigger, are this from a private group or law enforcement?
Thank you!!
Online
The “50” is 50-yards. The “1” and the “2” are 100 & 200 yards.
The numbers stamped near the trigger guard are Winchester inspector stamps.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Brad Dunbar said
WINCHESTER MODEL 1894 SIGHTSUpdated to PDF format. May take a few seconds to load, but navigation seems faster and image quality is better than the Word version. Make sure you have “plug-ins” enabled on your internet browser if there are any problems. You can also hit the download button that should be on the upper left when you go to the link. The images are clearer viewing the downloaded file on my computer anyway.
1894-1899: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhPEpxAUikjJghvXma4XC6NNcW1u
1900-1907: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhPEpxAUikjJghlhlt0hY9v1Oj9V
1908-1915: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhPEpxAUikjJgit2U-aBOcQFiwzz
1916-1923: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhPEpxAUikjJghMmChqUx1kx41Qj
1924-1932: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhPEpxAUikjJgXyLvRKEy-LbmXYq
Thanks,
Brad
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Hello, I work at a gun store and we are trying to find the rear sight insert and screw pictured on page 3 of the 1894-1899 pdf. Does anyone have a source for just these parts? I can find the entire assembly on eBay and other sights but we don’t want to change the entire rear sight and don’t want to pay those prices just for the two parts. Thank you for any help.
Todd
Thank you Brad Dunbar.
I used the information you provided in this Winchester Model 1894 Sights Project in my search for the correct factory sights for my 1894 Deluxe rifle. The information and pictures you provided in this Winchester Model 1894 Sights Project is a very valuable tool and much appreciated.
Jim
Hi everybody,
I am new to this forum, my name is Felix and I am from Germany. Since my boyhood I have loved Winchesters – having become aware of their very existence while watching the John Wayne movie “The Train Robbers” for the first time… since then, it has been a neverending love story :-))) I have started a little collection – unfortunately those beautiful rifles are hard to come by in Germany, sometimes….
I came across this post because my first “Winchester” was a Daisy 1894 BB gun that had (still has, actually :-)) that typical ramp front sight with no hood. Recently I bought a beautiful 94 SRC from 1915 that has the standard typcial carbine front sight, such as found with the other carbines 92 etc….
So I really wonder when exactly Winchester came up with the ramp style front sight? Any ideas?
Looking forward to writing here – if you guys are interested, I also might post a few pics from my humble collection….
Thanks and regards,
Felix
Brad, looking for any information I can get on this tang sight by Lyman. Never seen one that’s adjustable like this one. Any information will be appreciated. It’s sitting on my model 94- made 1924 with stainless barrel.
Andy
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Looks like a Lyman #103, introduced in 1916.
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A $400 or more sight, & unusual to see one on a carbine. Whoever put in on there had the good sense to replace the rear sight with a folding sight, though the factory would have used a Lyman #6.
Thanks for the info!
Andy Kessner
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"A Collector of Winchester Rifles"
Member Winchester Arms Collectors Association-7947
Member of Cody Firearms Museum
Member Houston Gun Collector Association
Lifetime Member of the NRA
Lifetime Member of Texas State Rifle Association
I missed this thread when it first came around. I’ve now gone through all the downloads. I was surprised I didn’t see this sight anywhere. Did I miss it?
I’m not sure what sight this is but it doesn’t look correct for this gun. Staff should be straight up and down not aimed down.
Chuck said
I’m not sure what sight this is but it doesn’t look correct for this gun. Staff should be straight up and down not aimed down.
I think it is the picture angle. This is the correct sight for a Model 1894. Here’s another photo:
And here’s one on a Marlin M1893. Again, correct sight for this piece:
There are Marbles Special Base flexible tang sights. At least off the top of my head, that’s what they are called.
Chuck said
I’m not sure what sight this is but it doesn’t look correct for this gun. Staff should be straight up and down not aimed down.
It’s a Marble’s “Special Base” sight, & that’s the way the staff stands…maybe to mitigate eyeball damage.
steve004 said
I think it is the picture angle. This is the correct sight for a Model 1894. Here’s another photo:
And here’s one on a Marlin M1893. Again, correct sight for this piece:
There are Marbles Special Base flexible tang sights. At least off the top of my head, that’s what they are called.
Thanks Steve. It looked like it was pointing down not directly at the front sight.
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