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December 19, 2006
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Not going to be able to get to the OGCA show in Cleveland Saturday. Sorry if anyone was anticipating seeing my stuff. Will be selling it online, and here, soon.
Taking these to the OGCA Gun Show in Cleveland/Ross Event Center this Saturday only, September 27, 2025. I do not have a table but will be camped out with Bill Hanzel, table number G8 and G12. Call my cell phone to find me: 585-727-5470.
To save shipping, I would like to sell these at the show but to be fair to other members, I will ship them (except No. 1 and No. 6 – too long) with buyer paying for shipping to an FFL from me directly. Thanks and please ask if you have questions.
- Winchester Model 1890, 1st model, SN 764 (February 1891) in .22 Short. About 90% original case color, 97% blue and 97% wood finish, nice fiddleback walnut stock, correct sights. Muzzle of barrel had been crudely counterbored and since dressed up resulting in a slightly shortened barrel. Nice bore. Priced at $10,000.
- Winchester Model 1890, 2nd model, SN 162791 (1903) in .22WRF with 24” octagon barrel. Includes tang sight, Sheard flip up/down front sight and original barrel mounted rear sight. Most of the original blue on receiver, barrel and mag tube. Wood has nicely aged original finish. Very good bore. Priced at $1750.
- Winchester Model 61, SN 78 in .22 S. L and LR. About 80% barrel and receiver blue with mag tube about 50%. 24 inch barrel with early model short fore end. Number “5353” stamped on bottom of receiver just forward of the “78” serial number marking. An additional mark stamped on the receiver just below the ejection port. Perfect bore. Priced at $1750.
- Winchester Model 61, SN 160061 (1951) [Palindromic number = same forward or backwards.] in .22 S, L and LR. 95% blue and finish overall and long late model fore end. Blue loss on barrel from slide. Perfect bore. Priced at $1200.
- Winchester Model 62, SN10166 (1932) in .22 S, L and LR with Lyman tang sight. Early model with short fore end and steel butt plate. Has most of its blue but flaked off in places and some small spots of light pitting. Weathered stock near the butt plate. Perfect bore. $1250. (Acquired from Ken Engstrom from WA 16 years ago.)
- Winchester Model 1892 Rifle, SN 231917 (1903) in .44WCF with 24 inch octagon barrel. About 80 – 90% barrel and mag tube blue with the receiver having about 50% bluish brown finish remaining. Perfect bore. Priced at $3000.
- Remington Model 511 bolt action .22 with no SN but with “CH” date code = April 1961. Late model with grooved receiver and a Leupold M8 – 4X scope with fine tapered cross hair target dot aperture. Includes two 10 round Remington magazines and owners manual. About new. Priced at $500.
- Cased Holland & Holland 12 Gauge back action hammer gun, SN 21796 (1900?) in Holland & Holland oak and leather case.
September 19, 2014
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Jolly Bill, ref the Holland and Holland–what is the chamber length and the proofing? Nitro or black?. I am NOT a customer, but imagine you need to let folks know that info. Cheers, Tim
December 19, 2006
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tim tomlinson said
Jolly Bill, ref the Holland and Holland–what is the chamber length and the proofing? Nitro or black?. I am NOT a customer, but imagine you need to let folks know that info. Cheers, Tim
Hi Tim,
I didn’t want to infringe on any forum rules and get too carried away in describing my H & H, altho I did go all the way in describing my non Winchester Remington M511 bolt action .22.
But my H&H is nitro proofed for 1 1/8 ounce of nitro powder loads, has 2 1/2 inch chambers and has 30 inch steel barrels. Barrels are factory choked at Cylinder in the right barrel and Modified in the left. Gun weighs 6 pounds, 9 ounces. A delight to carry and shoot with my custom 1/2 ounce loads.
Full description with pictures on Guns Int’l. I’d be happy to provide the link or any other info. Just shoot me a PM.
Thanks, Tim, for your comments.
Bill
July 8, 2012
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Hi Bill,
I’ll be at the show as well, tables M9, M10, M11. Hope to see you there.
Al
December 19, 2006
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tionesta1 said
Hi Bill,
I’ll be at the show as well, tables M9, M10, M11. Hope to see you there.
Al
Super – I’ll look for you Al.
March 20, 2009
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Hello Bill,
Could you please send me a pic of the barrel address and upper tang of the Model 1892 SN 231917?
Thanks so much and good luck selling.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
December 19, 2006
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twobit said
Hello Bill,
Could you please send me a pic of the barrel address and upper tang of the Model 1892 SN 231917?
Thanks so much and good luck selling.
Michael
Michael – the pictures are on my other PC. I’ll send them to you a little bit later.
Bil
December 19, 2006
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twobit said
Hello Bill,
Could you please send me a pic of the barrel address and upper tang of the Model 1892 SN 231917?
Thanks so much and good luck selling.
Michael
Here ya go Michael . . . .
March 20, 2009
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Thansk so much. The Type 3 barrel address was just begining to appear at that SN range.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
December 9, 2002
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Jolly Bill,
I was looking forward to meeting you and saying hello, and seeing what you listed. Hoping all’s well!
I did get to say hello, meet, Vinny Martin, Louis Lutrell, Rat Rod Mac, Seewin, Bo Rich and his son, amongst a few others, that I haven’t seen in awhile.
It was good to see the ones who we’re able to take the time, and made the trip.
Anthony
December 19, 2006
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Anthony said
Jolly Bill,
I was looking forward to meeting you and saying hello, and seeing what you listed. Hoping all’s well!
I did get to say hello, meet, Vinny Martin, Louis Lutrell, Rat Rod Mac, Seewin, Bo Rich and his son, amongst a few others, that I haven’t seen in awhile.
It was good to see the ones who we’re able to take the time, and made the trip.
Anthony
And I was looking forward to the show and the opportunity to meet many of the members that attended. Heather Martin too.
All is well here and hopefully, next time.
And all the best to you and all the other WACA members.
Bill
July 8, 2012
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Jolly Bill,
Sorry you couldn’t make it to the show. It was nice to meet Anthony, and Louis Lutrell for the first time.
Al
December 9, 2002
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Al,
It was nice meeting you and chatting for a while. 
Anthony
August 8, 2024
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Had a nice time meeting, and visiting. I picked up a Model 70 Roberts. A type 2-2 that Louis gave me some information on that I was not aware of. My Son bought a Trap Grade Model 21 with a vent rib barrel. So, we both left with some nice guns. I saw more Winchesters at this show then I have at a OGCA show in quite a while.
December 19, 2006
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Unfortunately, I missed a good gun show and the opportunity to meet many of the WACA members.
And sincere thanks for your good wishes.
Bill
December 9, 2002
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Bo Rich said
Had a nice time meeting, and visiting. I picked up a Model 70 Roberts. A type 2-2 that Louis gave me some information on that I was not aware of. My Son bought a Trap Grade Model 21 with a vent rib barrel. So, we both left with some nice guns. I saw more Winchesters at this show then I have at a OGCA show in quite a while.
Bo,
I thought that you and you’re son Jacob, landed a couple nice pieces. A great deal on top of that!
I can’t wait to hear what he bags with that 21!
Anthony
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