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Zebulon
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March 12, 2026 - 7:40 pm
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[Steve Gabrielli will appreciate this.]

In the course of mounting a Redfield 80-EH micrometer receiver sight to my new 1886 Sporting Rifle,  I learned not to use a magnetic parts tray to hold its various miniscule parts and screws, while trying to ease the tension on the staff release button. 

The Redfield 70 was a fairly popular receiver sight for the Winchester 71 and was catalogued by Redfield for the Winchester 1886 in the last year of the older rifle’s production. 

The Redfield 80 is essentially the 70 with a base-mounted quick release button, to enable rapid large adjustment of elevation or to completely remove the staff. 

Forgetting that my Brownell screwdriver blades are also magnetic, I must have let the screwdriver get too close to the flea-size elevation plate attachment screw because something snatched that screw out of the tray and somehow sent it into another dimension

Yes, this was the same screw Steve lost (or virtually so; his is a Lyman 57 sight).

Here is what saved my bacon this morning:  I have a couple of Redfield 70 and 80 NIB sights I once bought thinking I would alter the bases. EBay was once awash with these for the Remington 740/760 series that nobody ever put receiver sights on. I keep them for parts

EDIT: actually, the parts source sight was a ZH code 80, for a Winchester 61, which sight nobody ever bought either. 

In case anyone ever asks you, the elevation plate attachment screw for a Redfield 70 and a Redfield 80 are not interchangeable. Yes. But I was lucky to have both sights

 Another factoid: The Redfield 70 knobs are attached with screws. The Redfield 80 knobs are attached with the smallest pins I’ve ever seen. 20260312_140357.jpgImage Enlarger

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March 12, 2026 - 9:06 pm
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See God got you for associating with Italian gangsters. If by some chance, Lyman sends me two, I’d be glad to send you one

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You are generous but — wait for it — they won’t fit either Redfield. I have the distinct impression Redfield and Lyman once employed crotchety and jealous old gunsmiths of German descent who did things their way and were prone to throwing tools at apprentices. “Donnerwetter Kreutzmillion, iff dot Redfield  bastard makes it a 4-40 pitch den, Gott in Himmel, I vill make it a 3-40 pitch!”

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March 12, 2026 - 11:59 pm
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Actually, I have a redfield sight downstairs that I took a screw out of and I believe it fit my Lyman. I’ll have to go look it up.

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If I did not have such a right-hand tremor (you should have seen me trying to get the elevation plate secured this morning) I’d compare some. But we’ve had a cold front come through that is giving my arthritis fits. Double espresso was strongly indicated and another one this afternoon. A good thing I’m not in the mine disposal business. 

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These two screws on this Redfield seem to fit. I can’t remember what Redfield sight that is, though I have to look it up.

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I believe that is a Redfield 70. I don’t know the code. It looks like it might fit a rimfire bolt action rifle made from tube steel stock, like a Savage or Stevens. 

Is there a letter code stamped into any surface of the base? I think I’ve got one like it. I didn’t check to see if it would fit the Lyman 66. I did try one of the plate screws this morning on my Redfield 80 without success. 

A quick way to distinguish Redfield 80 from the earlier 70, in addition to the presence or absence of the staff release button, is the elevation plate on the 80 is held in place by one screw. The 70 has two. The difference is because the staff release button takes up too much space inside the block for a second screw hole. 

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Zeb,  Actually you would do great disposing of a mine.  Once.  Tim

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tim tomlinson said
Zeb,  Actually you would do great disposing of a mine.  Once.  Tim
  

A “blaze of Glory.” 

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"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.

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March 13, 2026 - 8:40 pm
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Bill, Lyman sent me TWO screws, you’re welcome to one if you need it. PM me your address again and I’ll send it out Saturday.

That Redfield sight mounts on my Remington 513T and my Mossberg 144US with a rectangular mounting bracket. Both of those are US property trainers in .22LR, I have Redfields mounted on them already.

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Steve,  you better hang onto the spare although I thank you for your generosity. I have a good supply of the elevation plate screws for the Redfield 70 and only one such sight, the one on my rice powered 1886 ELW 45/70. The similarly-sourced 1886 45-90 wears the Redfield 80. Both these are going to need higher front sights and blanks in their barrel sight seats when I pull off their barrel mounted irons.  Some folks leave those on but they get in my way, probably because I put big white golfballs up front I can see through big apertures.

My standard of accuracy for these monsters is a one pound coffee can lid at a hundred yards. Any hog or Whitetail deer at that range receiving a 300 grain 45 caliber slug in its thorax forward of the diaphragm – an area larger than said lid — if not DRT, isn’t going very far.  And I would not shoot at an unwounded animal with either gun at any distance greater than about a hundred yards. 

After firing 3 rounds of Remington 400 grain CoreLokt in the fairly light 45/70 – published MV 1900 some odd foot seconds – I’d be leary of a tang sight that close to my eye. 

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"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.

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