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Just wondering what opinions are on this one? I read about the filled in front sight bead but not on one this early. Thanks in advance!
It is not a 100% correct WW II Trench Gun. It most likely started out life as a Trench Gun, but it has been “tinkered” with in more recent times.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said rnIt is not a 100% correct WW II Trench Gun. It most likely started out life as a Trench Gun, but it has been “tinkered” with in more recent times.rnrnBertrn rnThanks Bert, what things look tinkered with? Any fake or retro parts (apart from the buttplate)?
The “G.H.D.” cartouche on the butt stock does not appear to be authentic, the gun has been partially reblued, the heat shield is suspicious. If you are looking for a collectable Model 97 Trench Gun, that is not the gun you want.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
The “G.H.D.” cartouche on the butt stock does not appear to be authentic, the gun has been partially reblued, the heat shield is suspicious. If you are looking for a collectable Model 97 Trench Gun, that is not the gun you want.Bert
Thanks!
The bayonet adaptor is not Winchester. It’s an adaptor for the Stevens Models 520 and 620 trench guns.
The filled in front sight hole on the barrel is usually found on late production Model 97 trench guns in the 950,xxx range. This gun is much earlier.
The serial number font styles on the receiver and barrel extension are different. Guns in this serial number range usually only have the script style font.
Tom D said
The bayonet adaptor is not Winchester. It’s an adaptor for the Stevens Models 520 and 620 trench guns.The filled in front sight hole on the barrel is usually found on late production Model 97 trench guns in the 950,xxx range. This gun is much earlier.
The serial number font styles on the receiver and barrel extension are different. Guns in this serial number range usually only have the script style font.
What is the significance of the different s/n fonts on the receiver and barrel? Is there a legitimate explation?
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
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Tedk said
Tom D said
The bayonet adaptor is not Winchester. It’s an adaptor for the Stevens Models 520 and 620 trench guns.
The filled in front sight hole on the barrel is usually found on late production Model 97 trench guns in the 950,xxx range. This gun is much earlier.
The serial number font styles on the receiver and barrel extension are different. Guns in this serial number range usually only have the script style font.
What is the significance of the different s/n fonts on the receiver and barrel? Is there a legitimate explation?
The significance is that it tells us that the gun is a fake.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Again, here is # E 955552. It has the plugged hole and is 100% correct. Offers have been made exceeding $10,000. Big Larry
Thanks going out to both Bert and big Larry. You two guys have saved countless folks a lot of hard earned coin.
Seems like the martial marked guns bring out the most fakes and fakers.
Thanks guys!
I have been dealing with this for years. A former US martial arms collector, I have been dealing mostly with fake cartouches. Garands, carbines, 03’s, 03-A3’s, and all types US shotguns. I guess mostly the cartouches were boned off. It ‘s very important when buying a US firearm of any type, it has its original cartouche. A deal breaker for me if it doesn’t. Yes, I am a perfectionist. A good friend once told me, “never buy a gun you have to make excuses for”. The above shotgun has many problems, and is for sure, an excuse gun. Run from this one. Big Larry
Way too many thieves out there. Faking up classic guns is pure thievery IMO.
Rick, you are correct. That is why you need to study what you want to collect before you buy. Anything that is worth money is being faked or what we call parts guns, put together with mismatched parts.
Don’t buy guns that you have not picked up and looked at before you purchase. At the minimum post pictures here for the experts to evaluate.
When we get in to guns worth thousands or tens of thousands a three day no firing inspection period is an absolute requirement. Again the criminals are everywhere some sellers are becoming very hesitant to offer 3 day inspection. Militaria is esp. impacted where unscrupulous buyers will steal original parts and replace with others. It is getting that big money guns take an airplane ticket to safely buy. What helps even more is to buy your vendor before you buy the gun, fine gun sellers have national reputations.
November 7, 2015
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I’ve heard more than once there are more fake than genuine trench guns. If I wanted to buy one in this price range the plane ticket would be for Larry or Bert but I think even the experts have been fooled by some very good fakes. I have a certain fondness for riot guns but I’ll leave the trench guns for the experts and rubes.
Mike
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