Wondering what you fellow collectors think regarding the provenance of this 1892 carbine. It’s just a plain Jane 1892 SRC in one of the lesser desirable calibers. That puts a hefty price tag on the provenance.
https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4009
Don
In my educated opinion, as a person who was a commercial copywriter for many years, that nowhere in that dribble is there any evidence of that rifle being own or used by Annie. Pure conjecture and BS.
Vince
Southern Oregon
NRA member
Fraternal Order of Eagles
“There is but one answer to be made to the dynamite bomb and that can best be made by the Winchester rifle.”
Teddy Roosevelt
Buy the gun, not the story.
Unless there is a factory letter confirming this shipped to Annie Oakley or documents such as Annie Oakley’s will or other documentation stating she used this particular gun with its specific serial number, such as a contemporary newspaper article, it’s nothing more than a story.
It might have belonged to Annie but Her using it is doubtful. She basically retired in 1913, the gun being made in 1915, however she did some volunteer and display work after her retirement. Plus the other factor is She owned a lot of guns and unless it was something special, engraved or presentation, to Me it would be just another used ’92 s.r.c., needing an explanation for the provenance. I had a fella trying to sell Me a Colt rifle one time that had more paperwork it than the I.R.S. has, but no proof of Cody owning it. It was a good story though. I find there is a lot of claims of various dignitaries owning various guns and even some forgeries, so unless there is definitive proof of ownership I’d pass, at least to paying that kind of a premium.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
November 7, 2015

I’m a fan of Annie Oakley but have no doubt that she owned dozens, if not hundreds, of guns over the years. That said, I’m not sure a rifle with unshakeable provenance would be worth the asking price to me.
Mike
Sad to say, but some people believe that if something was sold through a major auction house, that factor alone is authenticating provenance. And whoever buys this piece may use that, “provenance” to sell it at a favorable price. It won’t be sold to anyone here of course. Of the guys out there actively buying, “collectible” guns, some are quite knowledgeable and savvy and some are not. Some of the guys who are not knowledgeable or savvy do have money – and aren’t afraid to spend it. I see it happen all the time. It reminds me of the rifles pictured in Madis’ books. Many people believe that if a rifle was pictured in one of his books, it is completely correct. And … many of the rifles pictured in his books were correct.
January 26, 2011

steve004 said
Sad to say, but some people believe that if something was sold through a major auction house, that factor alone is authenticating provenance. And whoever buys this piece may use that, “provenance” to sell it at a favorable price. It won’t be sold to anyone here of course. Of the guys out there actively buying, “collectible” guns, some are quite knowledgeable and savvy and some are not. Some of the guys who are not knowledgeable or savvy do have money – and aren’t afraid to spend it. I see it happen all the time. It reminds me of the rifles pictured in Madis’ books. Many people believe that if a rifle was pictured in one of his books, it is completely correct. And … many of the rifles pictured in his books were correct.
That’s a good point Steve. This also holds true at times with a gun that was owned by a well known collector. Sometimes I see large, high rent collections advertised in one of the major auction houses with guns that are hard to believe they even exist. Just because Billy Bob the millionaire collector owned it doesn’t always mean its an original and legit gun.
~Gary~
pdog72 said
That’s a good point Steve. This also holds true at times with a gun that was owned by a well known collector. Sometimes I see large, high rent collections advertised in one of the major auction houses with guns that are hard to believe they even exist. Just because Billy Bob the millionaire collector owned it doesn’t always mean its an original and legit gun.
Exactly. Granted, Wes Adams had some very nice stuff, and it was legitimate, but much of the stuff in his collection was improved to match the condition he desired and the depth of his pockets. You have to be careful out there!
steve004 said
Some of the guys who are not knowledgeable or savvy do have money – and aren’t afraid to spend it. I see it happen all the time.
The main way Big Spenders quickly acquire impressive collections is by the simple expedient of communicating their desires to the major dealers. They don’t have to say anything so crude as “money is no object”–the dealers understand that implicitly! I’ve known of two amazing collections built that way–collections you might assume would have taken a lifetime, or two, to amass–because I know very well one of the dealers who did the buying for Mr. Big.
There must be some believers out there. It’s up to almost $19,000 now.
https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4009
Don
deerhunter said
There must be some believers out there. It’s up to almost $19,000 now.https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4009
Don
Agree!
James
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