
March 20, 2009

Hello,
Here are the results from the ARMAX survey which looked at the first 353,999 Model 1894 rifles Manufactured:
1:2 (45.92%) was a 30 W.C.F. (162,568)
1:5 (22.80%) was a 38-55 (80,734)
1:9 (11.31%) was a 32-40 (40,023)
1:9 (10.45%) was a 25-35 W.C.F. (36,999)
1:11 (8.77%) was a 32 W.S. (31,050)
I am sure that Bert will have some extrapolated numbers for the balance of production from 354,000 to 2,700,000.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

November 19, 2006

twobit said
Hello,Here are the results from the ARMAX survey which looked at the first 353,999 Model 1894 rifles Manufactured:
1:2 (45.92%) was a 30 W.C.F. (162,568)
1:5 (22.80%) was a 38-55 (80,734)
1:9 (11.31%) was a 32-40 (40,023)
1:9 (10.45%) was a 25-35 W.C.F. (36,999)
1:11 (8.77%) was a 32 W.S. (31,050)I am sure that Bert will have some extrapolated numbers for the balance of production from 354,000 to 2,700,000.
Michael
Interesting that for this range of numbers, it was the rarest chambering. Of course, for many of these years of production – about 8 – it wasn’t available.

June 4, 2017

What I find interesting is the lowest serial number for the 32 WS is 10,675 but it was made 8/23/02. Maybe worth the search to find out why 10,675 was made in 1902? The serial number is on the receiver, big factories do strange things.
Is it an antique firearm? The serial number applied date according to the web sight is 1895. T/R

November 19, 2006

mrcvs said
Interesting that .32 Special is the rarest but yet the least desirable.Edit: This is only up to 353,999. After that they are likely considerably more. But still a very underrated caliber.
But as you know, many a .32 Special owner that actually hunts with his rifle (or carbine) would debate that statement 🙂

April 15, 2005

Based on my research survey, the 32-40 is the least common of the (5) standard cartridges;
ARMAX Survey for Serial Numbers 1 – 353999 | |||
Caliber | Qty | % | |
30 WCF | 162,658 | 45.949% | |
38-55 | 80,741 | 22.808% | |
32-40 | 40,023 | 11.306% | |
25-35 WCF | 36,999 | 10.452% | |
32 WS | 31,052 | 8.772% | |
Blank | 2,067 | 0.584% | |
Other | 275 | 0.078% | |
Rec/Parts | 184 | 0.052% | |
Total | 353,999 | 100.000% |
My Survey of Serial Numbers 354000 – 1079689 | |||
Caliber | Qty | % | Extrp Qty |
30 WCF | 4,780 | 54.368% | 394,540 |
32 WS | 1,704 | 19.381% | 140,648 |
25-35 WCF | 869 | 9.884% | 71,727 |
38-55 | 699 | 7.950% | 57,695 |
32-40 | 661 | 7.518% | 54,559 |
38-55/30 WCF (2-Bbl sets) | 2 | 0.023% | 165 |
38-55/32 WS (2-Bbl sets) | 3 | 0.034% | 248 |
30 WCF/32 WS (2-Bbl set) | 1 | 0.011% | 83 |
Combined caliber totals from 1894 through 1931;
Extrapolated Caliber Totals for Serial Numbers 1 – 1079689 (1894 – 1931) | ||||
Caliber | ARMAX Qty | Survey Qty | Total Extrp Qty | % |
30 WCF | 162,658 | 394,540 | 557,198 | 51.668% |
32 WS | 31,052 | 140,648 | 171,700 | 15.921% |
38-55 | 80,741 | 57,695 | 138,436 | 12.837% |
25-35 WCF | 36,999 | 71,727 | 108,726 | 10.082% |
32-40 | 40,023 | 54,559 | 94,582 | 8.770% |
38-55/30 WCF (2-Bbl sets) | 2 | 165 | 0.015% | |
38-55/32 WS (2-Bbl sets) | 3 | 248 | 0.023% | |
30 WCF/32 WS (2-Bbl set) | 1 | 83 | 0.008% |
For years 1932 through 1963;
S/N Range | 30 W.C.F. | 32 W.S. | 25-35 W.C.F. | 38-55 | 32-40 | Total in Range |
> 1079689 | 985,664 | 408,994 | 47,852 | 1,961 | 490 | 1,520,322 |
% | 64.83% | 26.90% | 3.15% | 0.13% | 0.03% |
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

March 20, 2009

steve004 said
It is interesting to see how the popularity of the .32 Special grew a good bit.
Keep in mind that the 32 WS was not introduced until 1902 and the ARMX survey data includes 8 years of production which occurred before there was the possibility of the 32 WS being a choice. It would be more meaningful to look at only the time period AFTER the 32 WAS introduction in the ARMAX “time period” (which the survey does not have) and then compare that percentage to the data from 354000 to 1079689.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

March 14, 2022

twobit said
Keep in mind that the 32 WS was not introduced until 1902 and the ARMX survey data includes 8 years of production which occurred before there was the possibility of the 32 WS being a choice. It would be more meaningful to look at only the time period AFTER the 32 WAS introduction in the ARMAX “time period” (which the survey does not have) and then compare that percentage to the data from 354000 to 1079689.
Michael
I have to agree with Michael. Those figures would be of more interest to me. I am a fan of the 32WS & always have been.
Rick C

November 19, 2006

How many cartridges did Winchester develop that they named, “Special”? Yup, Winchester considered this one SPECIAL!
Edit – let me add some cartridge trivia. The Bullard .32-40 cartridge – which is a bottleneck cartridge and quite different from the standard .32-40 – including a different bullet diameter, was called in at least one Bullard catalog, the “.32 Special”. The rifles were not marked thusly and I can’t recall seeing a box of cartridges marked with the Special nomenclature.

November 1, 2013

steve004 said
How many cartridges did Winchester develop that they named, “Special”? Yup, Winchester considered this one SPECIAL!
Calling it “.32 WCF” would have been logically consistent with the “.30 WCF” designation, but since the “other” .32 had been previously available, that name might have lead to caliber confusion, which this entirely new name “Special” avoided.

March 14, 2022

clarence said
steve004 said
How many cartridges did Winchester develop that they named, “Special”? Yup, Winchester considered this one SPECIAL!Calling it “.32 WCF” would have been logically consistent with the “.30 WCF” designation, but since the “other” .32 had been previously available, that name might have lead to caliber confusion, which this entirely new name “Special” avoided.
Good call Clarence. Never really thought why it was designated that way but totally makes sense.
Rick C

January 26, 2011

Just for fun, here’s the table I have for just the ’94 short rifles I’m surveying. The fellows that bought the chopped down specials were clearly 30 WCF guys. We must keep in mind that over 28% of the short rifle survey are ELW models and the 30 WCF completely dominates that group …. over 86%. Any ’94 short rifles that are not 30 WCF are good property, in my narrow-minded opinion.
Total 25-35 | 47 | 6.85% |
Total 30 WCF | 456 | 66.47% |
Total 32 WS | 88 | 12.83% |
Total 32-40 | 32 | 4.66% |
Total 38-55 | 63 | 9.18% |
No cal. Listed | 13 | 1.86% |
~Gary~

November 19, 2006

pdog72 said
Just for fun, here’s the table I have for just the ’94 short rifles I’m surveying. The fellows that bought the chopped down specials were clearly 30 WCF guys. We must keep in mind that over 28% of the short rifle survey are ELW models and the 30 WCF completely dominates that group …. over 86%. Any ’94 short rifles that are not 30 WCF are good property, in my narrow-minded opinion.
Total 25-35 47 6.85% Total 30 WCF 456 66.47% Total 32 WS 88 12.83% Total 32-40 32 4.66% Total 38-55 63 9.18% No cal. Listed 13 1.86%
That’s great information – interesting. It helps explain when I see a short rifle for sale, I’m always let down when it turns out the be a .30 WCF.
