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Winchester model 86, .33 W.C.F. caliber at Auction
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April 24, 2025 - 9:32 pm
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Found this to be pretty interesting, on the Gun Runner site. The Condition looks too good to believe.

What say you?

 

https://auctions.thegunrunner.com/lots/view/1-AH6BT1/winchester-model-86-33-wcf-cal-lever-action-rifle-24-barrel-blue-1920

 

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Yes, refinished.  The third photograph tells it all, if the tone of the bluing isn’t enough.  Forearm iron shows pitting with blue within and also note the poor fit of the forearm at the top with the forearm iron.

There also may be some slight dishing surrounding any drilled holes in the receiver.

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April 24, 2025 - 9:57 pm
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Appears reblued to me as well as the wood refinished. The 2 extra holes on the left look like they missed center and there blue around edge, it looks like it just came out of the hot salt blue tank

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And the bid is over NINE GRAND? I don’t have expertise but even I can see it has been refinished.  

Can we get real? I just turned down a mint Winchester/Miroku Lightweight 86 45/70 at a local shop.  Out of print, but a really nice reproduction. 22″ barrel, shotgun butt, straight grip, half magazine. Beautifully understated finish and balanced like a fine 20 gauge double. You would grin picking it up and hunt with it. TAG PRICE $1,100  Not an “original” but neither is the one at auction!  

If 9K is the real current market for a refinished 1886, I will never be able to afford the genuine. Just born too late..

Perhaps the gun auction overbidding phenomenon is related to how girls seem to get prettier at closing time?

Whoever takes this 86 home is going to chew his bidding arm off the next morning, when he wakes up and realizes what he’s done.

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Zebulon said
And the bid is over NINE GRAND? I don’t have expertise but even I can see it has been refinished.  

Can we get real? I just turned down a mint Winchester/Miroku Lightweight 86 45/70 at a local shop.  Out of print, but a really nice reproduction. 22″ barrel, shotgun butt, straight grip, half magazine. Beautifully understated finish and balanced like a fine 20 gauge double. You would grin picking it up and hunt with it. TAG PRICE $1,100  Not an “original” but neither is the one at auction!  

If 9K is the real current market for a refinished 1886, I will never be able to afford the genuine. Just born too late..

Perhaps the gun auction overbidding phenomenon is related to how girls seem to get prettier at closing time?

Whoever takes this 86 home is going to chew his bidding arm off the next morning, when he wakes up and realizes what he’s done.

  

Somebody is about to take an $8K cold bath on that rifle!

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I read the title too fast and read it as a .33 SRC at auction.  That got me real interested.  When I started reading the comments about it being refinished, I thought if it’s an actual .33 SRC, nine grand doesn’t sound out of it line – even if refinished.  Then I clicked on the auction.  It’s just a .33!  CRAZY.

 

Edit:  and it even has extra receiver tap holes – ugly ones at that!Cry

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April 25, 2025 - 12:49 am
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I couldn’t believe it when I first noticed it, in all honesty!

 

I don’t know what they think their bidding on! Yell

 

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April 25, 2025 - 1:08 am
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Great, I have a few honest ones, not refinished.  The way I look at it they should be worth 30 grand each.

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Damn, I was going to just keep on driving since you guys basically said it all, but wow…it doesn’t even claim to be something special. 

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I’ll be in Bedford at the RIA auction next weekend. Saw some pretty crazy stuff last time. Even the RIA folks had to put a little work into their poker faces. The phone and internet bidders will put on a good show.

 

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I’ll be in Bedford at the RIA auction next weekend. Saw some pretty crazy stuff last time. Even the RIA folks had to put a little work into their poker faces. The phone and internet bidders will put on a good show.

Mike

  

Remind me of this one next week…I’ve still yet to go see the place. 

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I’m impressed that NONE of us was fooled into believing this is genuine.  Meaning that it appears that shill bidding has to be getting it to such stratospheric heights.  I can’t believe that there are two individuals with deep enough pockets who are foolish enough to want this rifle at anything over $500.  It’s incredible enough to believe there’s even one individual out there foolish enough to bid against a shill bidder for this long.

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I’m impressed that NONE of us was fooled into believing this is genuine.  

  

I’m just happy to finally feel like I’ve learned something in 2-3 years now of looking and listening. I saw a lot of red flags and wouldn’t have even had to strain thinking about this one. 

Which brings me to say once again…thanks to everyone who has helped me in one way or another when I waded into the WInchester waters a few years ago!

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If the auction company starts serving free whiskey an hour before the first lot comes up, you’ll know the reason why. 

I have made some dreadful mistakes in my youth under the influence of alcohol, but I  don’t remember ever being sufficiently three sheets to the wind to bid nine thousand dollars for something like this. If I did, I hope I never remember the fact. 

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Wow! Noting about that rifle would lead me to believe that it is original. I can’t believe that someone has that much expendable income for something that mediocre.

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April 25, 2025 - 11:58 pm
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P. T. Barnum is reputed to have once said,

“No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the general public.”  

Seems that is being proven by the auction referenced above.  All it takes is at least two fools with deep pockets…

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April 26, 2025 - 12:31 am
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No where does it say original finish. A fool and his money are soon parted. I have bought WAY better 86’s for WAY less!  

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I looked at this rifle again.  Not to put too dramatic a point on it, but I am repulsed when I look at this rifle Frown

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