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Hi Guys,

A friend of mine gave me a Model 74 to see if I can sell for him. I checked the serial number and its first year gun 1939 and was full of mung and spot rust. After I carded it and cleaned the dirt and crap off it I have to say it looks pretty good although the stock had about 50% or less original finish the metal finish is much better. Its the first one I have ever encountered and doing a little research it seems it somewhat of an orphan child of Winchester.

I will take some pictures and post them here when I get a chance but I figured I would ask if anyone here had one or knew anything about the price range for one. I know that around 600 went to England in 1940 for training purposes (possibly the first semi auto to enter military service?). and some later .22LR ones had threaded barrels and British proof marks. I went on GI and prices range between the low $300 to around $700. I am not trying to estimate a value so much and to find out what the typical price range they tend to be.

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Hi Rob,

You have pretty much answered your own question, the price range is about $250-$500 for nice condition standard models.  The 74 with the 88A rear peep sight or the gallery version (with shell deflector) bring more, up to about $900-$1000 in excellent condition.

The Model 74 was in no way an “orphan child” of Winchester, the concept of which can be traced back to Bennett Winchester patents at the beginning of the 20th century with improvements by Burton.  The Model 74 enjoyed a long production span from 1939-1955 and was replaced by the Model 77 semi-auto.  Over 400,000 Model 74s were produced (more than the popular Model 69) and many are still around and functional which is pretty remarkable for a semi-auto.

Also, it was certainly not the first Winchester .22 semi-auto used for military purposes as that distinction belongs to the Winchester Model 1903 .22 semi-auto which was used by the U.S. Army in World War 1.

There were 5 different catalogued variations of the Model 74 offered, here is a brief synopsis – 

G7401R Model 74 &
Model 74A
1939-1952 .22 Automatic Rifle, Tubular Magazine, .22 Short, 75D Front Sight, Open Sporting 32B/32E Rear Sight  
G7402R Model 74 &
Model 74A
1939-1955 .22 Automatic Rifle, Tubular Magazine, .22 Long Rifle, 75D Front Sight, Open Sporting 32B/32E Rear Sight  
G7411R Model 74 1939-1941 .22 Automatic Rifle, Tubular Magazine, .22 Short, 75D Front Sight, Rear 88A Peep Sight  
G7412R Model 74 &
Model 74A
1939-1951 .22 Automatic Rifle, Tubular Magazine, .22 Long Rifle, 75D Front Sight, Rear 88A Peep Sight  
G7421R Model 74 &
Model 74A
1939-1952 .22 Automatic Rifle, Tubular Magazine, .22 Short Rifle, Gallery Special (with shell deflector), 75D Front Sight, Open Sporting 32B/32E Rear Sight  

There is not much published on the Model 74 but I am happy to try to answer any questions you may have.

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Great info! much appreciated. This one has a peep sight but no deflector when I get home I will snap some pictures of it.

Rob

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Robert Drummond Jr said
Great info! much appreciated. This one has a peep sight but no deflector when I get home I will snap some pictures of it.

Rob  

Pictures would be great!  If it has the 88A peep sight mounted on the back of the bolt that will increase the value significantly.  The value of the peep sight alone is around $200 (if you can even find one).

Here is what the 88A peep sight looks like – 

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Here are some pictures of the rifle I was talking about.

 

 

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Looks awesome, I’ll take it. 😂

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Hi Rob,

Thanks for the photos!  That is a Winchester catalog number G7412R with the 88A rear peep.  The rifle appears to be in good condition except the 88A peep sight is missing the aperture and it appears as if the hole in the elevation slide for the aperture has been enlarged, I don’t see the threads?  Also, the elevation pointer and screw are missing from the 88A sight.

Other than that (and the most gummed-up bolt I have ever seen) it appears to be all original.  Value range is between $400-$500 since the 88A is missing some parts and they are almost impossible to find.

If you are looking to sell it you can post in the “Winchester Swap Meet” section of this forum with your asking price and I am sure you will get some interest.

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JWA, no mention of the late rifles with the grooved receiver. Big Larry

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JWA, no mention of the late rifles with the grooved receiver. Big Larry

  

I thought everyone already knew the last 10,000 had a grooved receiver for a tip-off scope? Wink

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Hi Jwa,

I knew the eye piece was missing I will have to look closer but I think there are threads albeit faint might need cleaning might have missed that I will check, Yes indeed that bolt was full of mung and dirt the picture was taken before I cleaned it. The fellow who owns it got it from his uncle in the 80’s and he used it to shoot rats and such but obviously never cleaned it. The outside of the gun was pretty much the same way.

He is interested in selling it but I will have to ask him before I put it up. I have reassembled the gun and thoroughly cleaned it but I have not tried to shoot it so I haven’t verified if it runs right yet. I asked the fellow who owns it if he ever saw the eye piece and he said he got it without it being in the gun.

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Robert Drummond Jr said I asked the fellow who owns it if he ever saw the eye piece and he said he got it without it being in the gun. 

With a little ingenuity, you can fit another aperture, even if the threads don’t match, & there are dozens available on ebay.  (Usually sellers don’t know what they fit.)

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The threads on the 88A are standard 7/32″-40 and most Lyman, Williams, etc. apertures will fit.  You can also chase them with a #12-40 tap and use a Redfield aperture.

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Again thank you thats good information!

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I thought Redfield, Lyman and Williams all used 7/32-40 aperture threads. The only 12×40 thread I knew of was a Skinner. Marbles used a 10×32 know?

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I got the 12-40 Redfield thread size info from Joe at Apertures N’ More as he makes replacements.  

#12 = .21″ and 7/32″ = .21875 so they are very close, but not identical, the #12 being slightly smaller diameter but the same thread pitch.

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