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Winchester Hotchkiss first model full stock carbine
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Jeremy P
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February 6, 2025 - 4:14 pm
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Jim sent me a picture of his Hotchkiss display. I must say it is impressive!! 

  

This question is for everyone, but is there a honey hole of information on these somewhere to go read about them? I was just reading a different book and they were mentioned, hadn’t heard much about them, and then this thread popped up too….now I’m curious. 

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Jeremy P said

r-arm said

Jim sent me a picture of his Hotchkiss display. I must say it is impressive!! 

  

This question is for everyone, but is there a honey hole of information on these somewhere to go read about them? I was just reading a different book and they were mentioned, hadn’t heard much about them, and then this thread popped up too….now I’m curious. 

  

Jim Curlovic had a two part article in the Collector (Spring 2022 and Spring 2023) and quite honestly I need to review it. 

 

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TXGunNut said

Jeremy P said

r-arm said

Jim sent me a picture of his Hotchkiss display. I must say it is impressive!! 

  

This question is for everyone, but is there a honey hole of information on these somewhere to go read about them? I was just reading a different book and they were mentioned, hadn’t heard much about them, and then this thread popped up too….now I’m curious. 

  

Jim Curlovic had a two part article in the Collector (Spring 2022 and Spring 2023) and quite honestly I need to review it. 

 

Mike

  

Perfect, thanks, that’s a good place to start and I always forget about it.

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Exactly Bill! I would call it a rifle myself. It’s even set up to take a cleaning rod under the barrel. No, martial marking, cartouches, anything of that sort. The Winchester sales illustration from Herb Houze’s book is dead ringer for my carbine & it clearly says carbine. I was trying to attach a copy of it but haven’t figured out how to add pictures. 

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I really haven’t spent a lot of time researching the Hotchkiss but if you want, buy a Jan 1891 reproduced catalog from Cornell Publications.  It has about 9 pages on the Hotchkiss.  But it does not talk about a sporting carbine with a full stock.

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I really haven’t spent a lot of time researching the Hotchkiss but if you want, buy a Jan 1891 reproduced catalog from Cornell Publications.  It has about 9 pages on the Hotchkiss.  But it does not talk about a sporting carbine with a full stock.

  

I looked in the 1879 catalog and they just picture the musket, the Aug.1880 pictures all, musket, carbine and rifle, with prices and extras and parts, with the musket the only one with swivel in guard

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It’s pictured in Herb Houze’s Winchester Bolt Action Rifles book as being from the Winchester brochure from June 1879. Can’t figure out how to make the picture bigger.

 

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That is cool! The catalog I looked at is May 1879 when it was introduced, I guess the carbine wasn’t finalized until June when that flyer came out. Your gun is first model carbine and then when the 1880 catalog came out, they changed it to the short stock and added the ring. Congrats on finding it! I have a few

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