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March 3, 2020
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I just wanted to touch base before I pull the trigger on this one to make sure it is a legit 25-35. It’s a 94 carbine, no sling ring. The externals look really nice with carry-hand wear evident across the serial number and on the forward sides of the receiver, bore is bright and shiny. Serial number on this forum’s tool dates it to 1949. Rear tang is blank (as it should be?).
Looking for the groups opinion on whether the roll marks, blank tang, etc., are proper for this 1949 gun. Don’t need a valuation estimate, the price is right with me if it is legit.
April 15, 2005
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Hello John,
Winchester deleted (discontinued) the sling ring in late 1931. The upper tang roll markings were discontinued in August 1942. A 1949 production Carbine should have a Type 3 receiver frame, a serrated hammer, and non-slotted magazine tube end cap.
The Carbine you are looking at looks good to me based on what I can see of it. I would like to know what the serial number is so that I can add it to my research survey.
Bert
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March 3, 2020
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Burt, as usual thank you for your informative reply.
When I go to look at it again I will look for those 3 things you mentioned. Question though, not sure what a type three receiver frame is. I’m looking at the Maddis book and I can’t find a clear example. He mentions the third version is post 64, but that can’t be right?
April 15, 2005
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John D. said
Burt, as usual thank you for your informative reply.When I go to look at it again I will look for those 3 things you mentioned. Question though, not sure what a type three receiver frame is. I’m looking at the Maddis book and I can’t find a clear example. He mentions the third version is post 64, but that can’t be right?
John,
Madis was quite apparently unaware of the different variations in the Model 1894/94 receiver frames. The Post-1963 receiver frames are actually a Type 4. The transition from the Type 2 to the Type 3 receiver frames took place beginning early in the year 1948 (during the Flat-band Carbine production period). The change was in the physical shape (contour) of the transition from the upper tang to the receiver frame. A corresponding change was made to the inletting of the butt stocks. A 1947 (or earlier) production Model 94 butt stock cannot be exchanged (swapped) with a 1948 (or later) Model 94 butt stock or vice versa.
Bert
Type 2 Receiver frame
Type 3 Receiver Frame
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March 3, 2020
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Ah, yes….I did see that in the book. Thank you for the clarification! One of my main concerns with this carbine is the late production date. I was not sure that 25-35 carbines were still being made that late, but now I know.
As an aside – I’ve read in a few books that 25-35 was not a hugely popular caliber, but I like it a lot.
December 31, 2012
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Maybe not a popular caliber then, but it is now with collectors. Right up there with the 38-55. That carbine is a highly collectable carbine. 100% correct too. I have a flat band 25-35 that I paid good $$$ for. I would like to have that one in my collection. Big Larry
April 15, 2005
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John D. said
Ah, yes….I did see that in the book. Thank you for the clarification! One of my main concerns with this carbine is the late production date. I was not sure that 25-35 carbines were still being made that late, but now I know.As an aside – I’ve read in a few books that 25-35 was not a hugely popular caliber, but I like it a lot.
The 25-35 caliber was discontinued in the early 1950s. They were officially discontinued in 1951, but Winchester continued to assemble guns up through 1953, after which they become nearly non-existent through the end of the pre-64 production period. All told, the caliber production statistics look like this (for the years 1894 – 1963). The numbers shown below are partially extrapolated from my ongoing research survey. Currently, I have documented 26,000+ Model 1894 rifles & carbines in the survey.
1. 30 W.C.F. (30-30 Win) — 1,529,071
2. 32 W.S. (32 Win Spl) — 603,489
3. 25-35 W.C.F. (25-35 Win) — 158,800
4. 38-55 — 140,847
5. 32-40 — 95,257
Bert
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March 3, 2020
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Bert and Co., armed with the knowledge you so generally dispense, I viewed the carbine last night with a more educated eye and made the deal. It’s pretty nice, and here is a link to the full gallery of pics: https://postimg.cc/gallery/1Q6fVwQq
Bert – For your survey, the serial number is 1637874
April 15, 2005
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John,
Based on the serial number, your new (old) Model 94 Carbine was manufactured in late January or early February 1950. I have added it to the survey… thanks!
Bert
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