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Looking for some info on this rifle. I was directed over here from Michigan Gun Owners forum where I am a member. The guy from MGO name dropped Bert and Mark. Here is a link to some picture of it.
Thanks in advance!
I don’t know what info You’re looking for, the gun was mfg’d 1904. The double set trigger is a very desireable option ,if original. A factory “letter” or build sheet should be available for the gun from the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody Wy., that would tell You exactly what configuration and options the gun was made with. The inletted dimes pretty much detracts from the collector desireability and the overall condition is not great, being pitted etc., also the wood looks to be refinished.
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Should a gun serialized in 1904 have Definitive Proofs on the receiver and barrel? Maybe it didn’t leave the factory until 1906 or went back for r&r?
If you can’t convince them, confuse them
Henry Mero said
I don’t know what info You’re looking for, the gun was mfg’d 1904. The double set trigger is a very desireable option ,if original. A factory “letter” or build sheet should be available for the gun from the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody Wy., that would tell You exactly what configuration and options the gun was made with. The inletted dimes pretty much detracts from the collector desireability and the overall condition is not great, being pitted etc., also the wood looks to be refinished.
I guess I am thinking of selling it so I’m looking for a value range that would be fair.
The serial number was applied to the receiver frame in May 1904, but the proof marks indicate that it was not assembled and sent to the warehouse until at least July 1905. This rifle really needs to be researched by the CFM records office.
As for the value, that old rifle has certainly seen better days. Somebody foolishly used something abrasive to scrub the receiver frame down to bright metal. The stocks have been mutilated and refinished, and the rest of the gun shows its age. Much of its remaining value will be influenced by the condition of the bore.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I received the rifle the way it sits. The bore seems to be pretty clean. It is a 120 year old rifle, I wouldn’t call it perfect…What would the price range be with clean bore vs pitted up? As for the proof marks on it, is that strange?
Unfortunately, for the reasons noted above there would be very little, if any, collector interest in your gun. The value would be whatever you can get for it. Can you list it for sale on the MGO Forum?
If you can’t convince them, confuse them
Tedk said rnUnfortunately, for the reasons noted above there would be very little, if any, collector interest in your gun. The value would be whatever you can get for it. Can you list it for sale on the MGO Forum?rn rnYes, I can absolutely sell it any where… MGO included.. how much is it worth?
Matthew Bezotte said
Tedk said rnUnfortunately, for the reasons noted above there would be very little, if any, collector interest in your gun. The value would be whatever you can get for it. Can you list it for sale on the MGO Forum?rn rnYes, I can absolutely sell it any where… MGO included.. how much is it worth?
There is not a “set” value for old Winchesters, especially those that are not in original condition. It is only worth what a potential buyer is willing to pay for it. If you truly want to squeeze the last possible dollar out of it, I suggest that you list it for sale on Gunbroker.com in a 14-day auction. Start it at $1 and let the bidders decide what it ultimately sells for.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Not at all what I was picturing squeezing the last dollar out of it. I am also rounded enough in firearms to know that a functioning 120 year old rifle made by Winchester may have some value. The answers that I got from everyone on this site so far including you Bert have been extremely vague (almost lawyer ish). I’m not looking for offers on this rifle…. I also don’t want to just give it away. I guess thanks for the info that I already googled and have a great day.
Matthew Bezotte said
Not at all what I was picturing squeezing the last dollar out of it. I am also rounded enough in firearms to know that a functioning 120 year old rifle made by Winchester may have some value. The answers that I got from everyone on this site so far including you Bert have been extremely vague (almost lawyer ish). I’m not looking for offers on this rifle…. I also don’t want to just give it away. I guess thanks for the info that I already googled and have a great day.
And you seem to want (or believe) that there is a “set in stone” value for it… but that simply is not the case. We (WACA) are collectors, not dealers. We do not buy and sell guns (old Winchesters) as a regular course of business. If you really want my opinion of what it is worth to me, I will give you that… I would not consider paying anything over $500 for it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
As has been suggested, we are primarily collectors here. We generally have a pretty good idea of what a vintage Winchester in collector condition will sell for. It is difficult for us to predict what buyers of a non-collectable rifles will pay. Very frequently, we are surprised to see rifles with alterations and condition sell on sites, such as gunbroker, for much more than any of us would pay or have predicted. This can happen at the big houses as well.
Were for example, this rifle listed on gunbroker, and started at a $1, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it sell for $2,000 plus. Note that other factors can come in to influence the bidding. Winchester that are started at $1 generate much interest. The more interest, the more competition among bidders. Sometimes the final bid price is more a function of competitive ego among a few bidders than the rifle itself. Hence, my statement that we are often surprised at some of the final bid prices we see.
This rifle has its flaws but it has its plusses as well. It is a functioning model 1892 and double-set triggers on a ’92 are not common. They add considerable interest. I would suspect the rifle would bring much less if it just had a plain trigger.
Your gun might well bring more parted out.
Front & rear sights with elevator $200
Lower tang with set trigger if working $400
Butt stock with butt plate $200
Magazine tube that fits 92s and 73s $100
Octagon barrel $200
Receiver with all parts working $250
I certainly would not sell the gun until I knew how it lettered, phone search. But for sure it is worth the value of the parts, $1350.
T/R
Here is a double set trigger assembly for a 1894 that just sold on ebay for $1,275 USD.
Check out Winchester 1894/94…. “DOUBLE SET TRIGGERS” nice solid assembly on eBay!
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/225959312330?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=p3fgxis0qvm&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=u_QTJb4DTKq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
Maybe the gun is worth more in parts, “drwinchester1873” has over 1000 parts for sale on EBAY. He has been doing it for years. T/R
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Matthew Bezotte said
Not at all what I was picturing squeezing the last dollar out of it. I am also rounded enough in firearms to know that a functioning 120 year old rifle made by Winchester may have some value. The answers that I got from everyone on this site so far including you Bert have been extremely vague (almost lawyer ish). I’m not looking for offers on this rifle…. I also don’t want to just give it away. I guess thanks for the info that I already googled and have a great day.
Matthew-
To be quite honest your rifle’s value is dependent on the buyer. As I’m not interested in parting it out it has no value to me as a collector. It would be worth more to someone who wanted a “shooter” but most collectors have plenty of shooters and are focused on acquiring high condition examples for their collections as they appreciate and sell better when the time comes. The inlay workmanship seems to be quite good but actually hurts any collector value it may have had. I like the rifle but I’d never be a buyer at any price you’d accept. No offense, it’s just not what most collectors are after.
Mike
I like the rifle but I’d never be a buyer at any price you’d accept. TXGunNut said
Seriously, Mike…you could stomach the image of FDR every time you picked up the gun? George V is no more palatable to me: he was the coward who nixed the deal Parliament had already negotiated to offer sanctuary to Czar Nicklaus & his family after the Bolsheviks imprisoned them. Blows my mind that the fool responsible for doing this believed these images would appeal to a shooter. Now two buffalo nickels, obverse & reverse, that I might fancy. Or another coin dated 1904 to correspond with the DOM.
Well, if anyone begins to lose faith in what you can wring out of a gun on GB, just go here:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1031610951
Unless I’m missing something, this makes me feel better about all of my purchases! ?
Jeremy P said
Well, if anyone begins to lose faith in what you can wring out of a gun on GB, just go here:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1031610951
Unless I’m missing something, this makes me feel better about all of my purchases! ?
Fantastic. Did it go down with the Maine? Anytime you see something like this on GB that makes you think, “well, this HAS to be the limit,” just wait…before long, something more unbelievable will show up.
Jeremy P said
Well, if anyone begins to lose faith in what you can wring out of a gun on GB, just go here:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1031610951
Unless I’m missing something, this makes me feel better about all of my purchases! ?
You have said it all.
That gun would have been hard to sell at a show for $500. Antique Road Show uses the term “at an auction”. Maybe we need to use the term, “on GB” it would bring $XXXX. Steve’s statement in post 12 of this thread might be spot on.
T/R
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