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tomkent said
Well, I’m retired from the Navy too, doesn’t mean squat. I was planning a trip to the Cody Museum. I’m going to try and buy that gun and take it with me.
Tom,
Yes, it does… and if you don’t understand, then go right ahead and spend your hard earned $$$$ on that Faked Winchester.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
wallyb said
Hi
I would not touch it at any price.
Walter
That is the healthy attitude to take on that gun.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Are these two fakes?
gunbroker item 472983062
gunbroker item 473087427
I’m not defending that particular rifle and it obviously isn’t a Spruce gun. I don’t see any mention of a Spruce gun in the ad anyway.
I am defending the fact that there were Navy issued 1894’s. The seller sent me some photo’s. One I had seen before. The other is of a Submariner Master Chief sitting in his chair in front of a rack of 1894’s in the Subs armory.
I have other evidence that cam straight from three different archives. Natl Archives 1 & 2 in D.C. and Maryland and the Archival sorting facility in St. Louis MO.
Anyway I’ve been through this before, everyone told me the case hardened 1894 I have was fake, until I got the letter back from Cody.
Like I said where is the proof, besides Bert yelling fake? I have my evidence, where’s yours?
Looks like somebody bought themself a fake Navy marked Winchester. Either that, or we foiled the seller’s plan of screwing somebody out of a lot of money and pulled the ad.
Tomkent,
You need to post the pictures and documentation so that the rest of us can learn about Navy 94’s
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Tom,
Both of the Model 1894 Carbines you mentioned currently on Gunbroker are authentic Spruce Guns.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=472983062
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=473087427
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
deerhunter said
Looks like somebody bought themself a fake Navy marked Winchester. Either that, or we foiled the seller’s plan of screwing somebody out of a lot of money and pulled the ad.
Nobody has provided any proof it is fake. The seller says it’s sold so It doesn’t matter to me any more. If anybody wants the documentation I have that proves the existence of US Navy issued 1894’s then PM me. I can also send the pics and a letter from the Cody Museum the seller sent me.
Tom,
We can’t PM you since you are not a member. Why don’t you post it here. That is one of the reasons this site exists, to help educate its members by sharing information.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Hi
If the US Navy ’94 was real, the seller would have posted info confirming by now.
Walter
Walter,
It was not real. That gun was a Model 1894, manufactured in 1908. At that time, the U.S. Navy was still using Lee Navy bolt-action rifles chambered for the 236 USN (6mm) cartridge. The U.S. Navy bought 5,000 of them is late 1898. I suspect the fellow who was arguing that it was real is the seller, or related to him.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I would not touch that gun either. Good enough reasons have been supplied that I have no confidence this is a legit gun. A fellow always has to remember that he may want to sell it someday, and selling a fake is not something I’d be wanting to be part of.
Hi again,
Such controversy! Yikes. If you don’t feel comfortable – don’t buy it. I have this and the Cornelius Wood gun represented in my new PDF addendum with what I feel is proper captioning.
Tomkent – send your literature to me if you would be so kind – I would like a look at it.
Thanks [email protected]
After having read this thread I recalled the same subject was discussed on GB many years ago. I made a search for it and here it is:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=301130&SearchTerms=military,guns
James
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