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Hi There,
I’m a newbe here and I look forward to reading, looking and learning.
I purchased a very nice 1873 rifle in 32-20, round barrel sold in 1892
and I noticed the firing pin retraction didn’t work correctly. The retractor
is in its correct orientation and I found the pin in the left link was partly
worn away. I put it away and haven’t looked at it for a year.
Today, I pulled it out and took the left toggle link out and cleaned it and
wanted to figure out how to remove the old pin for replacement when I
noticed something. The pin wasn’r worn away; it was filed back!
Anybody have an idea why someone would do this?
Thanks in advance!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
The pin has been replaced already but as to why someone filed off one side is anybodies guess.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Hi There,
What is the tell-tale that informs you the pin has been replace before?
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Webb,
The workmanship is not up to Winchesters standard and the pin looks to be recessed in the link. I believe the pin can be pressed out from the back side.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Hi There,
Thanks for the reply. I’m trying to learn here. Obviously, the filing
isn’t Winchester work. What else in particular isn’t up to standards?
Also, I see no tell tale of the pin passing all the way though. Are you
sure it does?
Thanks again for the responses.
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Being able to spot non Winchester work only comes from looking at many good honest guns. Its just like being able to look at a gun and know its got original finish.
I just checked a few of my links and I do see a sign of the pin on the backside.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
… and the pin looks to be recessed in the link.
Hi There,
This is confusing to me. I see many links that have a recessed pin.
A current survey of eBay shows the following:
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Welcome Webb.
Bob’s advice and knowledge. . .Well, he may be able to learn one or two more aspects regarding ’73’s. Other than that, I believe his secret identity is GURU!
Hi There,
It is nice to get a shout-out from the woods!
As experienced as 1873man may be, it behooves us not to extent the
hand of friendship and foster a sense of mentorship with new participants.
Mel Tormé wrote an article I was reading last week (Man at Arms, Volume
10, No: 5) in which he wrote of his disillusionment with the gun collecting
“fraternity” because of some of the people he ran into. I felt some of his
pain when I received 1873man’s banal response to my earnest inquiry. I
would think a man conducting a survey of 1873 Winchesters would exercise
more tact than that. But I digress.
Thank you for your Welcome, “From TheWoods.“
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
I apologize if I’ve haven’t been too chatty on here lately but I’m a guy of few words and summer is my busy time, for the last couple weeks I’ve been working 7 days a week and not in a 8-5 job.
I stated earlier that the pin was recessed and it does not look like Winchesters workmanship which I still believe. You found examples of links with the pin recessed which I have seen too but that is not what put up the red flag. What set me off as to the workmanship is the quality of the machining of the pin and it looks to be machined off center. Unless its just the photo was taken at an angle. It just looks to crude to be from Winchester.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Winchester did consistent quality work, that’s the work of a basement gun smith. Just my opinion. T/R
Hi There,
I will respectfully disagree. If you look carefully at the examples I
posted above, about half of them show a raised “teat” in the center.
If this was done outside of the factory, it wasn’t done by a “bubba.”
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Webb,
I don’t mind a difference of opinion. That is how we figure out how thing were done. Everyone who has written a book on guns has made mistakes or wrong assumptions. Its after you look at many of them that you get a sense of what is normal. I rely on this sense to tell if a gun has been messed with when I’m buying one. You can almost call it sixth sense, it can’t be taught or learned from a book, it comes from years of looking at them in person. I would say if I had the part in my hand I might have a different opinion, I’m just relying on what I see in a picture in which lighting and angle of view can change its appearance greatly. I do not buy guns from pictures because of this.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Hi There,
Of course we can disagree. At least, I have supplied evidence of my contention. All you
have supplied is hyperbole. This situation reminds me of a quote I heard when I was young:
“You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don’t alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views,
which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. ”
Dr. Who, Face of Evil. 
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Mr. Webb,
This is going to be your only warning… keep it civil and respectful to everyone on the WACA website, or leave and do not return. I will not tolerate Troll behavior.
Bert – WACA Admin
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi There,
I have been civil. I just believe in providing proof of one’s assertions.
If you wish to ban me, I cannot stop you but you will be guilty of the same
kind of prejudice that infect Twitter and Facebook. Anyone can make the
claim that they are an “expert” but it is better to discuss a point rather than
to just make sweeping statements of “I’m right because I know better.”
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
wlw-19958 said
Hi There,
I have been civil. I just believe in providing proof of one’s assertions.
If you wish to ban me, I cannot stop you but you will guilty of the same
kind of prejudice that infect Twitter and Facebook. Anyone can make the
claim that they are an “expert” but it is better to discuss a point rather than
to just make sweeping statements of “I’m right because I know better.”
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
I disagree with the “civil” response. Specifically, your quote from your youth was uncalled for, and it added nothing useful to the content of this forum. It was meant to provoke.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
I disagree with the “civil” response. Specifically, your quote from your youth was uncalled for, and it added nothing useful to the content of this forum. It was meant to provoke.
Bert
Hi There,
No, that wasn’t my intent. That is your interpretation.
If that is how it is perceived, I offer my apologies.
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Webb,
You have read Bob incorrectly. He is an honorable man, courteous and readily shares his knowledge and opinion in a kind manner.
Bert, too, is made of fine material and is a man of his word.
We could likely use your expertise regarding metal and machining on this forum. Getting tossed would not benefit anyone.
On another forum a ways back, you were perceived as attempting to teach pigs to fly. Such endeavors are also unnecessary with the folks of this forum.
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