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Some of you have been using Renaissance and Conservator’s waxes for a while now.  I was wondering how they are performing for rifles that are shot regularly and hunted with?

My family hunts in Western Oregon–WET, and have yet to find an oil that will work well.  We’ve tried Old West Snake Oil.  In the rain, it transferred from our rifles’ wood to our hands.

Suggestions of oils and waxes that might work on our rifles would be appreciated. 

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I cannot tell you how good the wax is when your are shooting and handling them a lot, but they make a 95% gun look more like a 98%er. I have a lot of guns and I wax the ones I don’t shoot only. It is time consuming, but they sure look good. Big Larry

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You must have excellent sunglasses, Big Larry, to have your collection beaming at you like that!

Last night while I was reading old comments regarding the waxes, I read a bit about your rifles.  Told my wife this morning I need to buy more safes and many more rifles because I’m way far behind you in numbers.  She barely rolled her eyes–guess she is okay with the idea!  Or maybe she is immune to Winchester fever?

95% Winchesters!  I’ve never seen one–very sad.

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I have been using the wax for a while and, no experience on protection in harsh Hunting environment. I like what it does for the wood especially. I just started taking pictures and when reviewing them I can see on the receivers where I did not buff polish it enough. I am also curios about the wax for protection as well. I heard about it from Texas Mack. He says it is good for protecting Case Color

It only took 4 safes to get my wife to leave, now i have 3 more , have upgraded my collection , shoot a lot more ,I am calmer and a lot happier , especially when I see her give her new Hubby all the anguish I could be getting . If Im feeling down , all I I have to do is go visit them!

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I do occasionally hunt with some of my old Winchesters. The last one was a high condition Model 1873 (the one shown in my signature). Each night before the next day’s hunt, I would put on a very generous amount of Conservator’s Wax. I would let it dry that way overnight without wiping off the excess. The carry area got an especially liberal amount of wax. A rifle like that was carried in a case to and from the area I hiked into or to my stand, depending upon how I was hunting. Four days of hunting in occasional light snow and at temperatures around freezing or several degrees below, I would see snow flakes melting on the waxed barrel, and there were times when my damp leather mitts were carrying the rifle. Nevertheless, the generous wax applied each night before seemed to protect it. I could find no sign whatsoever that the blue at the carry area was affected. Having said all this, I am sure that there are other more effective ways to protect your Winchester from any dampness or wear it may encounter while hunting.

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I also layered on quite a bit of wax on two rifles this fall and winter.  I thought the wax was especially useful for the wood.  On the Model 70 I had also put a generous amount underneath the stock when I had it off.  I shot the Model 70 at an earlier date in steady rain because that was when I had made time to do it.  The wax seemed to hold up good.  Maybe there is a better wax for that application but the renaissance is what I had.

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I still like the look of some kind of oil for storage.  I’m not sure whether wax can penetrate into screw holes, etc. in the metal.  If there is moisture present maybe the wax would just be sealing it off?

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I also layered on quite a bit of wax on two rifles this fall and winter.  I thought the wax was especially useful for the wood.  On the Model 70 I had also put a generous amount underneath the stock when I had it off.  I shot the Model 70 at an earlier date in steady rain because that was when I had made time to do it.  The wax seemed to hold up good.  Maybe there is a better wax for that application but the renaissance is what I had.

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I still like the look of some kind of oil for storage.  I’m not sure whether wax can penetrate into screw holes, etc. in the metal.  If there is moisture present maybe the wax would just be sealing it off?

Brad

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I do occasionally hunt with some of my old Winchesters. The last one was a high condition Model 1873 (the one shown in my signature). Each night before the next day’s hunt, I would put on a very generous amount of Conservator’s Wax. I would let it dry that way overnight without wiping off the excess. The carry area got an especially liberal amount of wax. A rifle like that was carried in a case to and from the area I hiked into or to my stand, depending upon how I was hunting. Four days of hunting in occasional light snow and at temperatures around freezing or several degrees below, I would see snow flakes melting on the waxed barrel, and there were times when my damp leather mitts were carrying the rifle. Nevertheless, the generous wax applied each night before seemed to protect it. I could find no sign whatsoever that the blue at the carry area was affected. Having said all this, I am sure that there are other more effective ways to protect your Winchester from any dampness or wear it may encounter while hunting.

In days gone bye, I usually hunted the west slopes of Colorado with my M1892 and M1894 rifles. I once tried a M1873 Musket. Never got a shot. This was in the late 60’s and early 70’s. Never did wax one in those days. Got my deer too. Big Larry

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I have been using the wax for a while and, no experience on protection in harsh Hunting environment. I like what it does for the wood especially. I just started taking pictures and when reviewing them I can see on the receivers where I did not buff polish it enough. I am also curios about the wax for protection as well. I heard about it from Texas Mack. He says it is good for protecting Case Color

It only took 4 safes to get my wife to leave, now i have 3 more , have upgraded my collection , shoot a lot more ,I am calmer and a lot happier , especially when I see her give her new Hubby all the anguish I could be getting . If Im feeling down , all I I have to do is go visit them!

Phil

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You must have excellent sunglasses, Big Larry, to have your collection beaming at you like that!

Last night while I was reading old comments regarding the waxes, I read a bit about your rifles.  Told my wife this morning I need to buy more safes and many more rifles because I’m way far behind you in numbers.  She barely rolled her eyes–guess she is okay with the idea!  Or maybe she is immune to Winchester fever?

95% Winchesters!  I’ve never seen one–very sad.

Like many other collectors, I have a few special rifles. One is a 98%, 1903 vintage 32 Special M1894 round bbl. takedown, with a beautiful stock I got a in a trade deal. That one really shines with wax. I do not shoot it and never will. It reposes in my gun safe in a good rifle case. Big LarryWinkSmileKiss

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I should add that I also generously wax the wood finish with Conservator’s Wax. I note that as a Winchester is used, it begins to loose its wood finish in the grip area and the forearm carry point. I don’t want this to happen to my Winchesters so I am especially zealous about keeping those areas well waxed as well, especially if I am hunting or shooting with them. 

I should also add that before I started using Conservator’s Wax, I was leaving a light coat of 3-in-1 oil on the metal. However, it seemed to evaporate over the months while the rifle was on display and very light spots of extremely fine surface corrosion occurred on one of my Winchester receivers one summer when it was more humid. Since I started keeping all my Winchesters coated with Conservator’s Wax, I’ve never had any hint of surface rust spots occur even though we’ve had some very humid summers.

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Living in New Mexico I don’t have the problem with humidity, so rust is seldom a problem.  I do, however, infrequently get some carry wear on the forearms from sweat and dust.  When that happens I just clean up the forearm with mineral spirits and after that has died up I rub in some linseed oil mixed 1:1 with mineral spirits.  On the finer pieces I rub in tung oil mixed 1:2 with mineral spirits.  After all, that’s what the original finish is on the old Winchesters.

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Is that tung oil just plain old tung oil?  The tung oil I’ve looked at on the hardware stores’ shelves have sealers/hardeners–I can’t remember exactly.

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Pure tung oil.  You are right about the junk they sell at the box stores.  The only place I can get it locally is at 1 store – Woodworker’s Supply – and they are the only place that carries it in a metro area of about 1,000,000.  The brand they sell is Behlen, about $30/quart.

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Folks,  I have no experience with either wax.  I do have experience with Birchwood-Casey Sheath (now known as Barricade).  I have no idea from a chemist’s perspective of its contents, but can say from use on shotguns used in rain it remains on the metal far longer than an oil will.  It claims and appears to be true to “remove fingerprints” by creeping under and remaining in contact with the metal.  I doubt it would be persistent enough to preclude long term wear protection of wood at the carry points, though.  I think it is supposed to have a wax component that makes it relatively persistent, and being a liquid it is relatively easy to apply and creeps into small crevices/screw depressions, etc.  For longer term storage, a rag kept damp with it is easy to wipe over the surfaces, to include the wood, every 6 months to a year.

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Reading the magazine archives (Spring and Summer 1983 ) I came across a good tip ,   to warm the wood with heat lamp before applying wax, and it will melt into the pores better. Makes sense to me

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Thank you for your comments.

There are sources for Tung Oil on line.  One site showed that Michaels sold it, but it is not stocked in their smaller (local) store.  The ancient and original hardware store in town is ordering a supply in with their next shipment.  Soon my rifles will be content again.

(That hardware store is the one I used to go to with my Dad when I was a boy, forty-five+ years ago.  The floor’s boards still creak the same as when we walked them together–I guess in some ways, we still walk them together.)

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