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August 28, 2023
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Wasn’t planning on buying this but got carried away bidding and ended up with it! Bought on rock island auction. Pre 64 model 70 supergrade 7m/m. I have RR book on the way but auction ended before I could get book so decided I’d take a chance. Any opinions if there’s anything wrong with gun? Dates to 48 anything stand out to any one about authenticity?
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/89/3536
trying to figure out how to post pictures but here Is link.
August 27, 2014
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Josh, Welcome
The pad on your gun is not factory and the stock has been shortened. Your gun should be factory d&t for a scope, but someone put a Griffin & Howe side mount on it. Need a pic to determine if it’s the correct Redfield Gold Bead front sight.
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November 5, 2014
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Hi Josh-
As Ted said, the Pachmayr recoil pad is an aftermarket addition and the G&H side mount was probably also added later. Winchester would factory install G&H mounts, and did so on occasion (it was a cataloged option for a while). But my understanding (which may be wrong) is that they didn’t do the “blind” G&H mounts (the ones with no exposed screw heads). Most likely the mount was done by G&H themselves…
All that said, the barrel markings and floor pate stamp look legit to me. The front sight would have been a Redfield No. 254 (full gold bead 0.310″ tall) originally. The 7M/M chambering is not very common in the M70 (only about 1470 made according to figures in Rule’s book).
Best,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
August 28, 2023
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Tedk said
Josh, WelcomeThe pad on your gun is not factory and the stock has been shortened. Your gun should be factory d&t for a scope, but someone put a Griffin & Howe side mount on it. Need a pic to determine if it’s the correct Redfield Gold Bead front sight.
Hello. Thanks for the welcoming! Is there a possibility that the stock hasn’t been shortened?
August 28, 2023
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Louis Luttrell said
Hi Josh-As Ted said, the Pachmayr recoil pad is an aftermarket addition and the G&H side mount was probably also added later. Winchester would factory install G&H mounts, and did so on occasion (it was a cataloged option for a while). But my understanding (which may be wrong) is that they didn’t do the “blind” G&H mounts (the ones with no exposed screw heads). Most likely the mount was done by G&H themselves…
All that said, the barrel markings and floor pate stamp look legit to me. The front sight would have been a Redfield No. 254 (full gold bead 0.310″ tall) originally. The 7M/M chambering is not very common in the M70 (only about 1470 made according to figures in Rule’s book).
Best,
Lou
The recoil pad is labeled a “Mershon white line” would that be something that was installed when new? Do you believe the stock was cut down?
November 1, 2013
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Josh Askew said
Is there a possibility that the stock hasn’t been shortened?
Stock would have to be shortened to install pad.
August 28, 2023
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What would the forums opinion be that I do with this rifle? Anything to do help return it to more original condition? Leave as is? Remove scope and mount. Look for a new super grade stock?Id like to continue collected pre 64 mod 70 so I want to do what’s best for the rifle. It is a very rare caliber as Louis said so I have that going.
November 1, 2013
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Josh Askew said
What would the forums opinion be that I do with this rifle? Anything to do help return it to more original condition? Leave as is? Remove scope and mount. Look for a new super grade stock?Id like to continue collected pre 64 mod 70 so I want to do what’s best for the rifle. It is a very rare caliber as Louis said so I have that going.
If you could obtain a SG stock of the correct period, that’s what I’d do; won’t be easy to find, but not impossible. Fortunately, the stock wasn’t cut to mount the scope base, as sometimes happened.
August 28, 2023
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Any forum members have a supergrade stock from 1948 era? Or a supergrade rifle they’d sell? PM me!
Does your rifle have the Gold bead Redfield front sight? Or does it have a silver front sight? This would determine what I would do. If the sight is the Gold Super Grade type l would order a reproduction solid pad from Glavazan’s, and have it fitted to the rifle. No, this is not correct, but it would improve your gun without selling the farm. If it is silver it was most likely a Standard Grade that a Super Grade stock was added at some time. So, then I might be looking for a 1948 Standard stock. Since the rifle has a G&H side mount that was mounted by them that helps some. But, because it has the side mount You might not want to put a lot more then you already have invested in the rifle. I hope this helps your cause.
August 27, 2014
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Bo Rich said
Does your rifle have the Gold bead Redfield front sight? Or does it have a silver front sight? This would determine what I would do. If the sight is the Gold Super Grade type l would order a reproduction solid pad from Glavazan’s, and have it fitted to the rifle. No, this is not correct, but it would improve your gun without selling the farm. If it is silver it was most likely a Standard Grade that a Super Grade stock was added at some time. So, then I might be looking for a 1948 Standard stock. Since the rifle has a G&H side mount that was mounted by them that helps some. But, because it has the side mount You might not want to put a lot more then you already have invested in the rifle. I hope this helps your cause.
Good advice
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November 1, 2013
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Bo Rich said
Does your rifle have the Gold bead Redfield front sight? Or does it have a silver front sight? This would determine what I would do. If the sight is the Gold Super Grade type l would order a reproduction solid pad from Glavazan’s, and have it fitted to the rifle. No, this is not correct, but it would improve your gun without selling the farm. If it is silver it was most likely a Standard Grade that a Super Grade stock was added at some time. So, then I might be looking for a 1948 Standard stock. Since the rifle has a G&H side mount that was mounted by them that helps some. But, because it has the side mount You might not want to put a lot more then you already have invested in the rifle. I hope this helps your cause.
As long as the rifle has the SG floor-plate, which is the hardest part to find, it makes sense to stay with the SG stock. A repro pad would be much better than the monstrosity on it now, but still any pad is an eyesore, except on the models that had one as standard; but still an eyesore even on them. (Whether the Galazan pad would fit perfectly ought to be determined before buying it.) If anyone could find a replacement SG stock, it would be the Model 70 specialist dealer Lou has often mentioned.
Any decent gun smith will be able to fit the pad for you. It is not a difficult job, and not expensive. You should not be in over $100 with buying the pad, and have it fitted. The question is does your gun have the proper sight for a Super Grade? The Redfield Gold bead sight is very expensive, and kinda hard to find. They are so desirable that surprisingly they could equal the value of the Super Grade Floor Plate.
July 3, 2020
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Genuine vintage Winchester solid red butt pads come up often on ebay. Be sure to ask for measurements to ensure fit to your rifle. They are marked “PAT. June 6.1922 (no space after date period) on the bottom line. As far as the Redfield super-grade front sights, they run $350 to $450. I’ve picked up two in the last 6 months off ebay that were in a pile for sale… they both were promptly sold. Good luck…
