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November 19, 2006
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Finally, one comes up for sale. I can’t argue with the seller – she states, The icing on the cake is that this rifle has the highly unusual feature of having a saddle ring. I have to acknowledge I can’t remember the last time I saw a .33 with a ring.
Another rifle with deep and rich blue. Yes, we have talked about this seller before.
What I do find interesting about this .33 ELW is it has a 22 inch barrel. Of course, what’s been done to the rifle, who knows.
But seriously, if someone is going to fake a special order feature on a Winchester, why place it in such an obviously incorrect location?
December 9, 2002
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steve004 said
Finally, one comes up for sale. I can’t argue with the seller – she states, The icing on the cake is that this rifle has the highly unusual feature of having a saddle ring. I have to acknowledge I can’t remember the last time I saw a .33 with a ring.
Another rifle with deep and rich blue. Yes, we have talked about this seller before.
What I do find interesting about this .33 ELW is it has a 22 inch barrel. Of course, what’s been done to the rifle, who knows.
But seriously, if someone is going to fake a special order feature on a Winchester, why place it in such an obviously incorrect location?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1154352188
Steve,
You’re absolutely correct, as that’s the first thing that I noticed on this rifle! Besides the many obvious issues that we’re pointed out, as in the earlier post, about the other one discussed that she’s offering, with her selected, “Word Salad”!
She must have a few people making these up, as they peruse gun shows to find candidates for these projects, as “The Hits Keep on Coming”! 
Tony
April 15, 2005
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steve004 said
But seriously, if someone is going to fake a special order feature on a Winchester, why place it in such an obviously incorrect location?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1154352188
Idiots ‘R Us 
Thankfully, there are a idiots among us.
Bert
p.s. I do not recommend trying to point out to “Sally” the errors of her ways… it is best to let her continue believing her wares are original.
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November 9, 2008
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Steve,
She states it has a 24″ barrel which is 2″ shorter then standard, meaning the 26″ sporting rifle, what a mess!
April 15, 2005
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cj57 said
Steve,
She states it has a 24″ barrel which is 2″ shorter then standard, meaning the 26″ sporting rifle, what a mess!
A 24″ barrel was standard for all 33 WCF rifles… 26″ was standard for all other calibers.
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November 9, 2008
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Bert H. said
cj57 said
Steve,
She states it has a 24″ barrel which is 2″ shorter then standard, meaning the 26″ sporting rifle, what a mess!
A 24″ barrel was standard for all 33 WCF rifles… 26″ was standard for all other calibers.
We know that, read her sales pitch, she states a 24″ then later says it’s 2″ shorter then standard
April 15, 2005
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cj57 said
Bert H. said
cj57 said
Steve,
She states it has a 24″ barrel which is 2″ shorter then standard, meaning the 26″ sporting rifle, what a mess!
A 24″ barrel was standard for all 33 WCF rifles… 26″ was standard for all other calibers.
We know that, read her sales pitch, she states a 24″ then later says it’s 2″ shorter then standard
aaahh… I did not read her drivel. I avoid reading it because it is almost always a waste of my time.
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November 19, 2006
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I had missed that too. I read her narrative description which specified a barrel two inches shorter than normal. As the .33 WCF had a 24 inch barrel, I assumed she meant this one had a 22 inch barrel – which we do see on rare occasions in the .33 ELW (we don’t have to look further than one of our own members here to find one).
It was later in the table of specifications for the rifle she states it is 24 inches. I should ask her how many 26 inch barreled .33’s she has seen. But I believe Bert has provided fine advice in this regard and I will not be trying to set anything straight with her.
There sure isn’t much she got correct! Although probably she knows more than it appears…
November 9, 2008
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Steve
It’s a shame what they did to it. probably a 60-75% semi-deluxe before rehab, the wood looks tight on lower tang, not sanded much. it has a Lyman #6 folding rear sight, leads to believe it had a Lyman 21 on the receiver and rather then finding a replacement, they opened up the hole and made a rare SRR
November 19, 2006
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Anthony said
steve004 said
Finally, one comes up for sale. I can’t argue with the seller – she states, The icing on the cake is that this rifle has the highly unusual feature of having a saddle ring. I have to acknowledge I can’t remember the last time I saw a .33 with a ring.
Another rifle with deep and rich blue. Yes, we have talked about this seller before.
What I do find interesting about this .33 ELW is it has a 22 inch barrel. Of course, what’s been done to the rifle, who knows.
But seriously, if someone is going to fake a special order feature on a Winchester, why place it in such an obviously incorrect location?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1154352188
Steve,
You’re absolutely correct, as that’s the first thing that I noticed on this rifle! Besides the many obvious issues that we’re pointed out, as in the earlier post, about the other one discussed that she’s offering, with her selected, “Word Salad”!
She must have a few people making these up, as they peruse gun shows to find candidates for these projects, as “The Hits Keep on Coming”!
Tony
Tony –
Don’t overlook this aspect: The gold washed stampings also adds some class.
February 17, 2022
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Steve, CJ and Bert, This is BLASPHAMY! She should be tared and feathered for her mis representation/ forgery of this. I love my 86’s. This thing and her write up almost make me speechless, but as Bert has found out that is somewhat impossible. She doesn’t even know the proper nomenclature of the rear sight, a thingy with a big V notch that folds flat! Wow what a gal. The stocks have been sanded so much I would bet the checkering has been re cut. Re pictures 2 and 17. Then the butt plate, highly unlikely a SRC with that RSB. And CJ I love your evaluation of said sling ring. You are probably 100% correct on that. Oh and that “gold washed” crap! Ya it’s called Bonanza Gold Sweetheart, not even gold just some kind of powdered brass in a wax base. duh think Crayola. Well as long as there is people with more money than brains this S#$& will always show up. I know, I know, just another idiot Tom, don’t get upset.
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January 8, 2025
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I must’ve missed the last one as this is the first I’ve seen y’all talking about this questionable seller. My first impressions looking at it before I read your comments; the ring is in the wrong place. I noticed a hump in the butt stock over the butt plate on left side, just bizarre, the first thing I noticed was the obvious reblue and refinished wood. I’m just a newb, after 1 year of reading stuff like this, you guys really teach a fella how to spot stuff.
November 19, 2006
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MidwestCrisis said
I must’ve missed the last one as this is the first I’ve seen y’all talking about this questionable seller. My first impressions looking at it before I read your comments; the ring is in the wrong place. I noticed a hump in the butt stock over the butt plate on left side, just bizarre, the first thing I noticed was the obvious reblue and refinished wood. I’m just a newb, after 1 year of reading stuff like this, you guys really teach a fella how to spot stuff.
Here’s the other thread:
January 20, 2023
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Lest we forget, “a touch of class” does not specify a particular class. Like so much of the description, much is implied so it can later be denied. “Originality”, “unaltered” and so forth.
“Phony”, “faked”, “worthless” … are some of the printable, accurate adjectives.
The spirit of Fagin[1] and the Artful Dodger[2] is still alive and occasionally rents a gun show table, although it likes the Internet best, where the guns can’t be handled up close.
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1. For those who didn’t pay attention in high school English, Fagin is the fictional villain of Charles Dickens’ novel, Oliver Twist, who runs a street gang of boys who steal for him.
2. The Artful Dodger is the secondary villain, who works for Fagin.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 31, 2009
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Zebulon said
1. For those who didn’t pay attention in high school English, Fagin is the fictional villain of Charles Dickens’ novel, Oliver Twist, who runs a street gang of boys who steal for him.
2. The Artful Dodger is the secondary villain, who works for Fagin.
Paying attention is the least of my worries. Having no memory at all is more my case.
December 21, 2006
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Chuck, I’m begining to understand the memory loss thing, some times it’s embarassing. Oh ya’ by the way did You ever repay that $12,000.00 You owed Me, I don’t seem to recall ever getting it?
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March 31, 2009
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Henry Mero said
Chuck, I’m begining to understand the memory loss thing, some times it’s embarassing. Oh ya’ by the way did You ever repay that $12,000.00 You owed Me, I don’t seem to recall ever getting it?
No, I don’t remember doing that. I’ll have to ask my wife. She seems to know everything and she controls the check book.
January 20, 2023
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I used to worry about forgetting things as I reached Social Security retirement age, thinking I was experiencing the start of Alzheimer’s Disease, a possibility we all dread. That was a while ago. But I quit worrying since a close friend actually got the diagnosis about two years ago and I’ve watched it develop at close range. At first it’s almost nothing. You joke about it. At some point it asserts itself and the blanks become noticeable. Then its a downhill run. It’s not like dementia at all. I read a lot of hot-breath articles about this drug or that therapy but I don’t think anybody has anything that works. Maybe some cases are slower.
The person who suffers the most is not the victim, except in moments of lucidity when he realizes what he has lost and is putting his wife through. Mercifully, those become seldom and then cease. [My friend is not yet but at this extreme. It’s what I saw professionally over 40 practice years.]
So when I can’t remember a word or why I’m looking into the refrigerator, or where I put my @#$%^/ car keys, i don’t obsess about it. And even if caught in a final struggle with Alzheimer’s, to the point I could not with certainly deny you once loaned me twelve grand, my flinty Scotch Irish blood would remind me to demand sight of the note I’d surely signed. As my old Negotiable Instruments professor taught us, “An oral promise is not worth the paper it’s written on.”
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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Zeb and interested others. Mom contracted Alzheimers and it absolutely terrifies me! However, I periodically remind myself of an old article in “Readers Digest”. Goes like this. If you forget where you left your glasses, its plain forgetfulness. (Zeb, substitute keys). If you forget you wear glasses, its dementia of some sort! As of yet, I forget a lot of things, but believe I don’t have any dementia as of yet! I joke that I keep a driver’s license on my person (or other forms of ID, right Bert?) so I know who I am. Of practical matters go, I have forgotten waaay too many details on Winchesters now. Periodically I get refreshed on the forum, but in a few months its all new again! Tim (so I think)
November 19, 2006
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Ah getting old… I’m retirement age, went on Social Security when I reached my full retirement age a few years ago. But, I’ve kept working full-time. I remember when I used to be the youngest among a group of co-workers. I grew a beard in my early 20’s for the specific purpose of looking older with the goal of being taken more seriously. I still have the beard, but really don’t need it anymore
Workng every day and being productive helps to not feel my age, but it also doesn’t. I mentioned above I used to be the youngest among co-workers. Now, I am the oldest. Finding myself sitting in meetings where not only am I the oldest, but I’m 50 years older than a couple of my co-workers.
I’ve notice a phenomenon of my co-workers not being able to understand the word coming out of my mouth. Here’s an example. I was at a meeting, I don’t recall the exact topic (
), but I made the comment to the effect, “oh, that reminds me of my parent’s party line.” I sat there making minor note of the lack of acknowledgement from others. So I paused a minute or two and then asked who knew what I was referring to when I mentioned, “party line.” Every person shook their head. No one had any idea what I was referring to. I asked what they thought I could be referring to. Crickets. Now at least writing this here, I know probably the vast majority know what a phone party line is and probably had one back in the day.
The above experienced prompted me to wonder, just how often am I saying things to others and not even considering they probably don’t know what I’m talking about?
A final point, it does work the other way too. The young people around me are talking about things all that time that I have no clue what they are saying. I am surely not keeping up. I don’t have a “snap chat” account or a, “tik tok” account and really wouldn’t know how to go about getting one. I suppose the fact that I have absolutely no interest in having one really dates me.
I’ve talked to a couple members here on the phone and it’s always enjoyable. Maybe a WACA, “party line” would be fun!
