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Am looking seriously at a pre-64 bull in 300 H and H. It is an internet find and looked at the pictures and talked to the person selling it. I am soon to furnish a lawayay payment with a return inspection which he agreed to. I have always wanted one of these for years,to collect and to shoot long range with. But originality means a lot to me as well. It is a 1960 made rifle 28 inch barrel marksman stock weighs 13 3/4 pounds which they should. It has Redfield front and rear sights on it,and after 1958 or thereabouts the sights were deleted,meaning the factory no longer furnished the Lyman sights which they came with before this date. It has a pachmyar butt pad added to it,and the steel buttplate is not present. The correct length of pull exists,so all I need to do is find an original wider marksman steel bp to put on it. Everything else seems kosher about it….anyone out there know a lot about this model,and what I should look for,and any warning signs? Thanks Randy.
The original buttplate is not flat. It had a 28.88″ radius to match radius on original stock butt. Every recoil pad installation I have seen on a Model 70 Marksman stock required the butt of the stock sanded flat to match pad. This removes about 1/4″ of length. So, what I am saying is the addition of an original steel buttplate will most likely require resanding the radius on the stock to match buttplate contour. This will reduce LOP another 1/4″. In addition, this will most likely necessitate recontouring the outside of the original buttplate to match stock’s new dimensions. And of course after all this work, you have a stock that is no longer original and with an incorrect LOP.
Steve
Really no idea about the current value. I sold a similar rifle about 10-15 years ago to a friend. It was all original except for a glass bedded stock. I sold it for $1400. I don’t follow the current values on these very closely anymore, but I would think a 95% all original would be in the $2500 – $3000 range. So much depends on condition of the balance of rifle including bore. Most of these were used in long range competition, and consequently the bores can be pretty worn. Also look for glass bedding under action. If you are OK with a shortened stock, it come’s down to what it is worth to you. They are a scarce rifle, but personally I prefer to buy an original that I don’t have to make excuses for, unless I am purchasing just to shoot, in which case, it should be ideal with the benefit of a lower cost. One other thought, don’t buy it with the intention of finding an original uncut stock. They are virtually non existent.
Steve
So I would appreciate you taking a peek at the pictures and said rifle for sale. It is on Gun Broker under Winchester pre 64 model 70 bull gun. Item #859514896. Thanks.
I think rifle is horribly overpriced for its condition. Stock is pretty rough and it has had the butt flattened for the pad. No way to tell about the bore w/o taking a look with a borescope. The other thing I noticed is that the muzzle appears to have been recrowned. It look’s to me like a modern style 11 degree crown, instead of the flat muzzle face original style. Sights are a plus, but at best probably $200. If I was just interested in a shooter and bore proved to be good, then I would most likely be interested at half of what he is asking. The stock and recrown are a turn off to me at any price.
Steve
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