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Impressions concerning Model 94 originality.
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January 30, 2021 - 12:15 am
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Hi Folks!  Requesting Expertise!

Started to tack this onto the below months old Thread referenced.  Central to my question here as super reference on a much repeated subject.  For that, with thanks to all involved rendering expertiese!  On point, but conjuring in wider issue “whole rifle originality” perspective as question below. 

Ref:  https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/1894-receiver-sight-holes/#spEditFormAnchor

My here ‘usual suspect’, a Model 94, 25-35 Win, SN 1344501 of the ’42+ war years lacking specific manufacture dates.  Apparent standard carbine in 25-35 Win chambering.  Decades owned.  Working here conveniently from file pix – best conveniently available. Few more available but 8 pix seems a posting ‘sweet spot’.

My belief the overall finish is original – metal blue / sorry color rendition pretty lousy!  Requesting expert opinions of such, features as shown & wider estimates of side/tang sight mount holes originality from “probability perspective. “Such holes as depicted likely?”  

Thanks for opinions! 🙂

Best & Stay Safe!

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John,

The holes drilled & tapped in the upper left side of the receiver frame are 90% not likely to be factory original, and the two extra holes drilled & tapped in the upper tang are 100% not factory original.  The butt plate is at least 50% suspect, as it is just a bit too early of a serial number for that type.  The vast majority of the Model 94 Carbines manufactured in 1945 were equipped with the late pre-war serrated steel butt plates. 

Speaking of manufacture dates, your carbine was manufactured in October 1945, almost exactly 1-month after Winchester resumed production of the Model 94 following the WW II hiatus.  The CFM records office can provide you with the exact date if you feel inclined to know what it was. 

I highly suspect that if you check the barrel date, it will be marked “42”.  In my research survey of the immediate post-war carbines, a fair percentage of them have pre-war dated barrels.

One last item… the rear sight and its elevator are not original to a post-war production carbine.

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John,

The holes drilled & tapped in the upper left side of the receiver frame are 90% not likely to be factory original, and the two extra holes drilled & tapped in the upper tang are 100% not factory original.  The butt plate is at least 50% suspect, as it is just a bit too early of a serial number for that type.  The vast majority of the Model 94 Carbines manufactured in 1945 were equipped with the late pre-war serrated steel butt plates. 

Speaking of manufacture dates, your carbine was manufactured in October 1945, almost exactly 1-month after Winchester resumed production of the Model 94 following the WW II hiatus.  The CFM records office can provide you with the exact date if you feel inclined to know what it was. 

I highly suspect that if you check the barrel date, it will be marked “42”.  In my research survey of the immediate post-war carbines, a fair percentage of them have pre-war dated barrels.

One last item… the rear sight and its elevator are not original to a post-war production carbine.

Bert  

The holes you mention in the left receiver don’t look to me like they are in the right location for factory holes. Definitely the extra tang holes shouldn’t be there.

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Thanks so much Bert for the information and also Polishing Room data!  As I consider the value of such expert evaluation…  Seriously, this Forum, this gathering of experts providing free assistance here…  Just super!  Old Logger, thanks for your input too and head’s up!  I’ll have to look closer at the holes location. Just now, conjuring “Mützig Old Lager”, a Heiniken French Pilsner beer!  How a devious mind works! 🙂  

My carbine is as I need to be.  With eight decades on my own frame, a lot of “parts alterations and replacements”, for me by now highly desirable!  🙂  For it, perhaps ‘compromising’ any collector interest, yet a great little piece and the only rifle I have in 25-35. Closest a massive Remington Model 30 in .25 Remington.  Size & weight about opposite end of sporting rifle spectrum!  

Thanks again for both the kind analysis as well as almost instant response.  

Best & Stay Safe!

John

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