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Zebulon said
As for so.many of us who still own and want to use a 35 Remington gun, the brass shortage has been a trial, prompting the predictable question – can I covert another case? Not really.
Later,
Bill
The 35 Remington can be made using 303 British or 30-40 Krag brass. Trim the case to 1.95″. Turn the rim flush with the base and cut new extractor groove. Don’t reduce the thickness of the rim while cutting the groove. F/L size the case and trim and chamfer. The cartridge will now head space off the shoulder. I had to do this to the 220 Swift I used to make brass for the Lee Navy.
Chuck said
Zebulon said
As for so.many of us who still own and want to use a 35 Remington gun, the brass shortage has been a trial, prompting the predictable question – can I covert another case? Not really.
Later,
Bill
The 35 Remington can be made using 303 British or 30-40 Krag brass. Trim the case to 1.95″. Turn the rim flush with the base and cut new extractor groove. Don’t reduce the thickness of the rim while cutting the groove. F/L size the case and trim and chamfer. The cartridge will now head space off the shoulder. I had to do this to the 220 Swift I used to make brass for the Lee Navy.
Good afternoon, Chuck. I’ve heard of those two conversions but I’m not adept with a lathe and sold Dad’s Southbend years ago. I’ve done a little shade tree metal turning with a file and my woodshop drill press but wouldn’t trust myself or, more importantly, my nice old Model 141, to cut extractor grooves.
Fortunately Mike the Txgunnut and I have reached a friendly understanding concerning the future of certain surplus brass.
But thank you for the useful advice. I’ll make a note.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 7, 2015
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Gentlemen-
I’ve long been a fan of the 35 Remington, bullet casters love the round! I’ve had a 14” T/C Contender in 35 Rem for quite some time, learned some useful tidbits about muzzle brakes and learned there are a few firearms for which a ten shot group is NOT useful or enjoyable. I’ve only fired the 200gr Hornady in that pistol. My cast bullet test mule was a 336 that rightfully earned the moniker “Scopekiller”. I lost track of how many scopes that innocent-looking rifle wrecked. When I sold it recently the new owner took off the low power VX3 almost immediately so I suspect it will live up to my name for it until someone figures it out, again.
Quite honestly I can’t recall seeing a Winchester chambered in 35 Remington but at one time a favorite in the cast bullet fraternity was the 358 Winchester. Quite honestly I lusted after one of them but was never able to convince one to follow me home.
But yes, the 35Rem with correct powder did very well in short barrels. My Contender took a fair bit of game but once had to pass on a shot because the guide was standing right next to the brake. I’ve cleared firing positions on both sides when I was limited to public ranges. As mentioned on another thread some cartridges like to go a little faster than I’d like but the 200gr Hornady bullet acted like I had shot it from a rifle regardless of whether I was shooting at critters or paper.
Mike
I have a Model 70 Carbine ser. #253835 chambered in “.270 W.C.F.”. The barrel has a ” ’48 ” date. The stock is in the ‘SUPER GRADE’ configuration. I am not an expert and don’t know for sure if the rifle is correct or if it was “made-up”. Everything seemed to be correct according to the ‘RULE BOOK” when I bought the rifle. I paid a lot of money for the gun and I either have a jewel or a counterfiet. I will try to get some suitable pictures to post, if anyone is interested. RDB
November 5, 2014
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Hi Roger-
That would be very interesting!!! 
Especially if you happen to have photos of the barrel markings (exposed and under chamber).
I think Tedk is trying to compare with a similar 270 WIN “Super Grade Carbine” (S/N 183XXX) from 1951 that has a ’51 dated barrel (!!!). It’s Ted’s gun so I’m not disclosing the full serial number. He can if he wants to… I’ve seen the gun in person and I don’t see anything wrong with it except for the improbable barrel date/markings. It does not look like a cut down standard 24-inch barrel to me, if it is then somebody did a heck of a good job “moving” the integral ramp… The barrel/ramp have not been x-rayed however…
But I think that’s the issue… Winchester last cataloged Carbines in 1946, so the notion of “barrel cleanup” is that they were simply using up barrels made in 1946 or earlier… Is it possible that they had some unfinished 20″ barrels that they dug out of some back room and completed later??? The barrel date was applied when the barrel was chambered. So a ’48 or ’51 barrel date on a carbine barrel (if genuine) would suggest that the factory did finish out some barrels after the rifles for which they were intended were discontinued…
Anyone have any similar examples (on any Winchester Model – not just M70s), where the barrel date is later than the time frame where those barrels were made? Is this an instance of Winchester “never throwing anything away”???
Gotta’ love a good mystery… 
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
It is a 41 Barrel date not a 48 barrel date. I took some quick pictures. I am still in the learning process of taking “good pictures”, so this is what I have.
Roger,
Thank you for the pics, very nice looking gun and another piece of the puzzle.
Ted
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
November 5, 2014
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THANK YOU Roger!!!
It is an interesting rifle… The barrel date of ’41 is consistent with the conventional notion that all carbine barrels were made in 1946 or earlier. 1941 was the year during which Winchester made the change from Style 1 (both sides of barrel roll marked) to Style 3A (expanded left side roll mark only). The barrel is rust blued, as were all the pre-war manufactured M70 barrels.
Having been made in 1953 and in Super Grade style, the rifle would have to have been a special order. Monte Carlo stocks became available in 1952. Select wood, jeweled action (not done routinely until 1955), carbine length barrel… Did you take a photo of the cheekpiece side of the stock? I wonder if it’s the regular MC Super Grade style cheekpiece or one of the variations Winchester sometimes used on custom built guns…
To be fair, here’s a cell phone snapshot of a couple of my Carbines. S/Ns 13807 and 13532, 22 HORNET and 250-3000 SAV, respectively. Both are late 1937 guns, so of no help to Tedk… Barrel date on the 250-3000 is ’32!!! Another bit of trivia is that of all the ’32 dated M70 barrels I’ve been able to record (20″ and 24″), all but one are 250-3000 Savage… Another marketing miscalculation, I guess…
Best,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Louis Luttrell said
THANK YOU Roger!!!It is an interesting rifle… The barrel date of ’41 is consistent with the conventional notion that all carbine barrels were made in 1946 or earlier. 1941 was the year during which Winchester made the change from Style 1 (both sides of barrel roll marked) to Style 3A (expanded left side roll mark only). The barrel is rust blued, as were all the pre-war manufactured M70 barrels.
Having been made in 1953 and in Super Grade style, the rifle would have to have been a special order. Monte Carlo stocks became available in 1952. Select wood, jeweled action (not done routinely until 1955), carbine length barrel… Did you take a photo of the cheekpiece side of the stock? I wonder if it’s the regular MC Super Grade style cheekpiece or one of the variations Winchester sometimes used on custom built guns…
To be fair, here’s a cell phone snapshot of a couple of my Carbines. S/Ns 13807 and 13532, 22 HORNET and 250-3000 SAV, respectively. Both are late 1937 guns, so of no help to Tedk… Barrel date on the 250-3000 is ’32!!! Another bit of trivia is that of all the ’32 dated M70 barrels I’ve been able to record (20″ and 24″), all but one are 250-3000 Savage… Another marketing miscalculation, I guess…
Best,
Lou
Lou, that is the largest trilobite I’ve ever seen under the rifles in your table.
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Shape of Monte Carlo & PG looks like a custom order to me, which goes along with fancy wood. Puzzling to me, however, why anyone would want a carbine length brl on a .270.
Thank you Clarence for your observation and opinion. When I prchased the rifle that is what I was told by the seller. That it was a “special order Model 70 Carbine”. A few comments from other “experts” since then has led me to have doubts to the authenticity of the carbine. That hasn’t changed my view towards the rifle. I think it’s a great find. RDB 
November 5, 2014
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Hi Roger-
Thanks for the added pics!!!
This may interest you… It’s not exactly “provenance” but Bob Porter recorded your rifle from the Reno show in 2007. How long have you had it?
The good news is that it was a Super Grade Carbine when he saw it. All too often I find “rare” M70s offered for sale these days were previously recorded as 30-06 standard rifles (presumably in another life)… 
Porter’s ” <– ?” on the card is par for the course… Because they were never cataloged, ALL M70 Super Grade Carbines should be suspected of being non-factory “upgrades”. Finding other special order features tends to add an air of legitimacy, however…
Hi Paul-
I think that trilobite fossil is Moroccan. I bought it one time in a rock/fossil shop in Steamboat Springs… I’ve never found one (in the wild) bigger than maybe 1.5″.
Best,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Lou, I purchased the carbine at the Reno Show Aug. 11, 2007, according to my records. Thanks for the information. That makes my DAY! RDB
rogertherelic, You have a very nice model 70 with a non Factory stock. The Monte Carlo hump is a red flag. As stated earlier the S/N is to early for a jeweled action on a Super Grade. I am very surprised that nobody commented on the very obvious non factory butt plate.
Bo Rich said
rogertherelic, You have a very nice model 70 with a non Factory stock. The Monte Carlo hump is a red flag. As stated earlier the S/N is to early for a jeweled action on a Super Grade. I am very surprised that nobody commented on the very obvious non factory butt plate.
There’s also a non-factory PG cap, but my thought was that a customer placing a special order with the custom shop would have been able to request non-factory accessories like these if he so desired; but I admit I know nothing about how the custom shop operated, or even how a customer went about requesting custom work.
Bo Rich, I am curious to know how you could surmise a non-factory butt plate from the photos I posted. The “Special Stock” and PG cap are obvious and acknowledged. I am posting additional pictures with my 1938 vintage carbine for a comparison. The ’38 rifle ser. 37288 also has a silver ‘monogram oval’ in the bottom of the stock which I found pictured in RULE BOOK om page 254. I have no provanonce on this rifle either. I am always anxious to learn ‘what’s right and what’s wrong’ wjth my guns. I am drawn to non-standard features and sometimes they are NOT CORRECT. I do my best to recognize faked items and acknowledge them. Thanks for your input. I am always learning and sometimes I get incorrect information from the “Experts”. I am still learning from my mistakes! RDB
Bo Rich said
rogertherelic, You have a very nice model 70 with a non Factory stock. The Monte Carlo hump is a red flag. As stated earlier the S/N is to early for a jeweled action on a Super Grade. I am very surprised that nobody commented on the very obvious non factory butt plate.
Sure looks like a well done factory butt plate to me
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
rogertherelic said
Bo Rich, I am curious to know how you could surmise a non-factory butt plate from the photos I posted. The “Special Stock” and PG cap are obvious and acknowledged. I am posting additional pictures with my 1938 vintage carbine for a comparison. The ’38 rifle ser. 37288 also has a silver ‘monogram oval’ in the bottom of the stock which I found pictured in RULE BOOK om page 254. I have no provanonce on this rifle either. I am always anxious to learn ‘what’s right and what’s wrong’ wjth my guns. I am drawn to non-standard features and sometimes they are NOT CORRECT. I do my best to recognize faked items and acknowledge them. Thanks for your input. I am always learning and sometimes I get incorrect information from the “Experts”. I am still learning from my mistakes!
Always had a thing for the Carbines
Never get tired of looking at those pics Roger, beautiful guns
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
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