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November 7, 2015
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Sure makes me wonder about serial number 15659.
Mike
that’s a beauty. You’d think they would have posted better pictures for the price they’re asking.
Yeah, it’s always nice to have a “one of a kind”of any Winchester on Your wall. This one sure looks like a beauty that would look even nicer hanging on My wall. Considering they made over 10,000,000 mod. 94s, this is a real accomplishment. However when one considers all the variations, factory options and special order features available for the mod. 94 , I don’t suppose a “ONE OF A KIND” 94 is that difficult to come up with. I personally have and have had 12, I think, “one of a kind 94s and I treasure each and every one of them. I gotta call him and see about making a deal.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
Henry Mero said
Yeah, it’s always nice to have a “one of a kind”of any Winchester on Your wall. This one sure looks like a beauty that would look even nicer hanging on My wall. Considering they made over 10,000,000 mod. 94s, this is a real accomplishment. However when one considers all the variations, factory options and special order features available for the mod. 94 , I don’t suppose a “ONE OF A KIND” 94 is that difficult to come up with. I personally have and have had 12, I think, “one of a kind 94s and I treasure each and every one of them. I gotta call him and see about making a deal.
Let us know how you come out on the deal. Even the rear sight elevator is “special”–never seen one like that before.
Henry Mero said
Yeah, it’s always nice to have a “one of a kind”of any Winchester on Your wall. This one sure looks like a beauty that would look even nicer hanging on My wall. Considering they made over 10,000,000 mod. 94s, this is a real accomplishment. However when one considers all the variations, factory options and special order features available for the mod. 94 , I don’t suppose a “ONE OF A KIND” 94 is that difficult to come up with. I personally have and have had 12, I think, “one of a kind 94s and I treasure each and every one of them. I gotta call him and see about making a deal.
OK, I have to throw the B.S. flag on your greatly exaggerated Model 94 production number!
Here are the facts…
1. There were just 2,600,011 pre-1964 production “collectable” era Model 1894/94s made.
2. When the USRACo ceased production of the standard Model 94 in March of 2006 at the New Haven factory, serial numbers were in the 6,590,000 range. The highest serial number I have confirmed is 6589550 (shipped in March 2006).
3. Winchester/USRACo manufactured approximately 1,030,800 commemorative Model 94s.
The total production was approximately 7.62-million versus “over 10,000,000”.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
TXGunNut said
Sure makes me wonder about serial number 15659.
Mike
Yes, I wonder about that rifle too. I wonder where it is now and how the two became separated. I also wonder about the original order of the rifles. Of great intrigue, what was the desire behind all of the special order features. And, what was the purpose behind ordering this one 1 inch shorter? Perhaps this was a pair for a husband and wife? I’d love to know the whole story. Were I to own the current rifle offered, I would sure pine away for the other one.
November 7, 2015
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steve004 said
Yes, I wonder about that rifle too. I wonder where it is now and how the two became separated. I also wonder about the original order of the rifles. Of great intrigue, what was the desire behind all of the special order features. And, what was the purpose behind ordering this one 1 inch shorter? Perhaps this was a pair for a husband and wife? I’d love to know the whole story. Were I to own the current rifle offered, I would sure pine away for the other one.
Talked to Jesi about this rifle and it’s alter ego at a show today, she’ll do an inquiry for us tomorrow. I think she wants to see the letter posted on GI as well.
Mike
I agree, appears to be an outstanding rifle.
I also agree that you would expect better photos of a piece this special offered for sale
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
November 7, 2015
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Had Jesi do an inquiry on both rifles, both rifles spec’d out very extensively. Ledger entries pretty amazing to see. Brain too fried for a detailed analysis today but will address it soon.
Mike
The letter on this rifle states a R&R of May 17, 1912. There are no proof marks on it. I have a deluxe model 1894 where the letter states received in the warehouse and shipped December 1, 1899, and R&R Oct 6, 1910, and mine has proof marks on receiver frame and barrel. I was under the impression that Winchester applied proof marks after 1905 (month?), even when they came back as R&R after this date. Did it depend upon what the R&R was for?
Thanks,
Al
tionesta1 said
The letter on this rifle states a R&R of May 17, 1912. There are no proof marks on it. I have a deluxe model 1894 where the letter states received in the warehouse and shipped December 1, 1899, and R&R Oct 6, 1910, and mine has proof marks on receiver frame and barrel. I was under the impression that Winchester applied proof marks after 1905 (month?), even when they came back as R&R after this date. Did it depend upon what the R&R was for?Thanks,
Al
Yes, it did. The definitive proof marks would only be applied if the barrel was replaced or reworked. Any other work accomplished should not have resulted proof marks being added to the rifle.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
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Jesi checked the ledger on both rifles for us. SN 15659 was a rifle in 30WCF, SNA and shipped in 1896 on order # 15004, checkered pistol grip shotgun butt, rubber butt plate, oil finished stocks, screw eyes, matted barrel and the sights as described on the later rifle. There’s two interesting notes; “cheek piece as per sample gun” and “special handmade stock”. Ledger also lists three R&R dates and a fourth date that may or may not be an R&R. Amazing amount of info crammed into one ledger line on both rifles. No telling who the buyer was but he had very exacting tastes in rifles.
I can post or e-mail images of both search forms if anyone’s interested.
Mike
TXGunNut said
Jesi checked the ledger on both rifles for us. SN 15659 was a rifle in 30WCF, SNA and shipped in 1896 on order # 15004, checkered pistol grip shotgun butt, rubber butt plate, oil finished stocks, screw eyes, matted barrel and the sights as described on the later rifle. There’s two interesting notes; “cheek piece as per sample gun” and “special handmade stock”. Ledger also lists three R&R dates and a fourth date that may or may not be an R&R. Amazing amount of info crammed into one ledger line on both rifles. No telling who the buyer was but he had very exacting tastes in rifles.I can post or e-mail images of both search forms if anyone’s interested.
Mike
Mike,
Thanks for digging into this. very interesting.
Al
Bert H. said
Yes, it did. The definitive proof marks would only be applied if the barrel was replaced or reworked. Any other work accomplished should not have resulted proof marks being added to the rifle.
Bert
thanks Bert. My letter states: 22″ barrel, extra light, .30wcf. No telling what the R&R was for.
Al
November 7, 2015
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tionesta1 said
Mike,
Thanks for digging into this. very interesting.
Al
Jesi did all the work, it was my pleasure to watch over her shoulder. Very interesting indeed. Seller should probably order a letter for the earlier rifle but that may muddy the waters a bit.
Mike
O.K. I take back the “over 10,000,000 mod. 94s B.S.” and stand admonished and humbled, but You get the drift on what I,m talking about as far as rarity , or the lack thereof. I have to disagree though that only “pre ’64s” are ” collectable” today, My opinion only.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
November 7, 2015
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Henry Mero said
….. I have to disagree though that only “pre ’64s” are ” collectable” today, My opinion only.
I sold a few “post 64’s” awhile back to focus on “pre-64’s” and can attest to the fact that some folks think they’re collectable.
Pretty sure none of my Winchesters qualify for the “one of a kind” label but thanks to Winchester’s attitude towards special orders I have a few very unusual specimens. Cool thing is that most collectors I know also have at least one oddball, I think that’s what makes collecting fun.
Mike
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