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Curious about the effect of relatively obscure calibers on rifle value. I just got a Model 1886, made in 1892, from a dealer in Texas. It is a standard rifle with a rough exterior (mainly a broken buttstock and lower tang) but a 9 or better bore and excellent internal mechanics that look like they had been packed in grease for storage. There were several photos on the dealers website but none that showed the caliber markings. The rifle was advertised as being a 40-82 WCF but when I checked it out after receiving it, it turns out to be a 40-65 WCF.
The Blue Book Of Gun Values mentions a premium for calibers 45-70 and 45-90 but makes no mention on the effect of other calibers. I don’t have a problem with the caliber, though I already have a Model 1886 in 40-65 WCF, albeit with a set trigger and not nearly as good a bore. I don’t have anything in a 40-82 WCF yet.
The question is: though I don’t have a problem with the different caliber (I’ll assume it was a typo or sloppiness on the dealer’s part) should the 40-65 WCF have been listed for a little more or less that a 40-82 WCF?
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There is no value difference between the two cartridges in The Red Book of Winchester Values.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Although there is no difference in value, in the Red Book or elsewhere, in my experience, the .40-82 is slightly more desireable than the .40-65. Yes, .45-70 and .45-90 are more desireable and valuable, and the .50 cal Winchester 1886’s bring the big bucks! Having said that, the larger the caliber, does not always mean the value is greater, as the rarity of the .38-70, for example, makes it significantly more desireable than a .40-65 or .40-82.
I thought the rare calibers were worth more until I tried to sell a several 38-70’s and I had a hard time selling them. It didn’t seem to be a price issue. There was very little interest for the small caliber.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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I agree that the difference in value would be negligible between theses 2 Calibers.
If you are going to shoot either , it may make a difference if you are a Black Powder shooter , you my favor the larger capacity 40-82 at 2.4″ case length ,it is the same length as the 45-90.( Parent brass that I use to make my 40-82’s with ), a couple forming die steps ,and then tedious neck turning. The 40-82 was designed as an ‘Express’ cartridge to shoot a slightly lighter bullet about 260 gr at a slightly higher velocity for flatter trajectory with the xtra BP capacity.Maybe a slight advantage in interest deirability ? ? It took me a little experimenting using smokeless, to get good accuracy out of this large capacity case and am doing well now with lighter bullets in the 220 gr range meant for 41 Mag (cheap and plentiful if you dont cast your own )
I think the shorter 40-65 would be a better bet for my smokeless loads, and easier to make cases out of 45-70’s, but do not have a gun in this cal yet
Phil
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