Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
"Damascus" receiver?
Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5173
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
March 27, 2022 - 2:30 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

MRCVS brought this rifle up on another thread asking about the floret motifs on the buttstock.  There is another aspect of this rifle that caught my attention.  It is a wonderful special order M1876 in .50-95 with a 22 inch matted round barrel, fancy straight grip checkered wood, short rifle forearm, shotgun butt, half magazine, interesting sights… it’s got a whole lot going for it.  But what really caught my attention was the, “Damascus receiver” as noted in the Cody letter.  Who has seen this before?  And what does it mean exactly?  Is it sort of an engine-turned type treatment on the metal?  

https://live.amoskeagauction.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/87/lot/48341?url=%2Fm%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F87%3Fpage%3D6%C2%A0%C2%A0

Avatar
clarence
NY
Member
Restricted
Forum Posts: 7119
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
March 27, 2022 - 2:35 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

steve004 said
 But what really caught my attention was the, “Damascus receiver” as noted in the Cody letter.  Who has seen this before?  And what does it mean exactly?  Is it sort of an engine-turned type treatment on the metal?  
 

That or some chemical treatment of the steel, like acid etching.

Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5173
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
March 27, 2022 - 2:37 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Has anyone seen it listed as an option or an extra in a Winchester catalog?

Avatar
mrcvs
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2194
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
March 27, 2022 - 3:02 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

I think it’s merely cosmetic and not true Damascus as with shotgun barrels.

Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5173
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
March 27, 2022 - 3:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

mrcvs said
I think it’s merely cosmetic and not true Damascus as with shotgun barrels.  

Like a jeweling or engine-turning treatment?

Again, anyone seen this on a Cody letter before – or on a Winchester rifle?  Is it similar to ordering a non-factory engraving pattern?  I wonder what such a treatment would cost?  

I’d be interested to see this treatment on a rifle that doesn’t have as much wear as this ’76 has.

This has me very intrigued Smile

Avatar
1873man
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4698
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
March 27, 2022 - 3:18 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

I discount the DCF mark since its not stamped in the usual fashion. The S on the tang is going to be for the shotgun butt. I’m more incline to think “Damascus” is a destination based on the configuration of the gun and the star stamped in the stock. The pattern seen on the left side is going to be from a blanket it was wrapped in. I would want a copy of the ledger to see where Damascus was written before I read anything else into it.

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
clarence
NY
Member
Restricted
Forum Posts: 7119
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
March 27, 2022 - 3:29 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

I don’t get the appeal, as it’s not as attractive as CC or French Grey.  Since acid is used to bring out the pattern on true Damascus, I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a similar effect on the forging stresses of the fairly soft steel used for the rcvr.

Avatar
mrcvs
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2194
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
March 27, 2022 - 4:07 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

steve004 said

This has me very intrigued Smile  

Yes, this rifle is very intriguing, and I wanted it and I wish I could say I would have it in hand for extensive analysis in a few weeks.  But, while I could have bid competitively, I couldn’t bid up to over 38k yesterday.

Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5173
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
March 27, 2022 - 4:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

1873man said
I discount the DCF mark since its not stamped in the usual fashion. The S on the tang is going to be for the shotgun butt. I’m more incline to think “Damascus” is a destination based on the configuration of the gun and the star stamped in the stock. The pattern seen on the left side is going to be from a blanket it was wrapped in. I would want a copy of the ledger to see where Damascus was written before I read anything else into it.

Bob  

That would be an interesting angle – that Damascus is a destination.  Purportedly, the Cody letter says, “Damascus receiver” but I would like to look at the letter to verify that.

Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5173
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
March 27, 2022 - 6:12 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

For those that didn’t see mrcvs’s other post on this rifle, any opinions on whether the floret motifs on each side of the wrist are factory, aftermarket decoration or there to hide a repair?  I will say this is a very special rifle with lots of special order features…. so, maybe?

Avatar
mrcvs
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2194
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
March 27, 2022 - 6:13 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Old-Win said
I think they should have listed it as Damascene.  ( the art of blending two metals together to form intricate patterns.)  

But that’s exactly what I don’t think it is!

That’s how Damascus shotgun barrels were made back in the day until circa 1918 with a few later unusual exceptions.

I think, in this case, there was no change in how the receiver was MANUFACTURED, it was purely an aesthetic modification.

Avatar
Old-Win
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 120
Member Since:
November 11, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
March 27, 2022 - 6:19 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

mrcvs said
I think it’s merely cosmetic and not true Damascus as with shotgun barrels.  

Yes, there is a process called Damascene where you bond metals onto other metals sort of like rubbing thin gold leaf onto silver to form intricate patterns.

Avatar
mrcvs
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2194
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13
April 7, 2022 - 4:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Did anyone on this forum end up with this fine Winchester Model 1876 rifle?

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Online: dimrod, 426crown, deerhunter, Tedk, Louis Luttrell, TXGunNut, Bill Yadlosky
Guest(s) 10
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 6408
Chuck: 5810
steve004: 5173
1873man: 4698
deerhunter: 2694
Big Larry: 2549
twobit: 2493
mrcvs: 2194
Maverick: 2030
Newest Members:
Winchester 1892
Temomar83
ross
Model94-2025
R.E. Moore
sjGUESTEST
WindsurfAruba
cedar swamp savage
tradecraft
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14718
Posts: 131656

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2057
Members: 9984
Moderators: 3
Admins: 4
Administrators: Mike Hager, Bert H., JWA, SethJ
Moderators: Rob Kassab, Brad Dunbar, Heather
Navigation