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March 31, 2009
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I’ve spent the last few days looking for any back up information but can’t find it. So I’m going to get beat up on this one. I know we talked about this one before but I can’t find the Topic.
Zeb, what do you think about this rifle? Sorry for the small file.
November 5, 2014
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Chuck-
I think (???) this is a factory prototype belonging to 1ned1. I have pics of it that I got from him (I think)… I’ll leave it to him to comment… NOT my gun…
Here’s the thread: https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-hunting-shooting-reloading/1952-model-70-in-270-win-1/page-2/
Here are a couple pic’s Ned posted in that thread:
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
December 9, 2002
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Louis,
That’s the first thing that came to mind when I first saw it posted here by Chuck. Not being able to view his original picture very well, I didn;t comment on it, and not knowing Ned like you do, I still believe that you nailed it!
Thanks for improving the pictures, and updating us with the post.(no harm meant Chuck)
I’ll wait to hear what Ned has to say about it also, as I am interested in learning more, as others are.
Anthony
June 19, 2009
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Louis Luttrell said
Chuck-
I think (???) this is a factory prototype belonging to 1ned1. I have pics of it that I got from him (I think)… I’ll leave it to him to comment… NOT my gun…
Here’s the thread: https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-hunting-shooting-reloading/1952-model-70-in-270-win-1/page-2/
Here are a couple pic’s Ned posted in that thread:Lou
Thank you for taking the time to go back and pull that link Lou. I’ll elaborate with an additional post down below.
June 19, 2009
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Hi all,
In addition to the link that Lou provided, I thought you might like me to supplement with a little additional information and a few more photos.
Back in the day, Tom had been helping me with my M70 single shot research. He asked if I would like to add the bench rifle and another single shot M70 that he had acquired from Max Thompson to my budding single shot collection. I of course jumped at the opportunity!
Tom mentioned that this was the only bench rest rifle to be produced by Winchester. He informed me that Max had indeed taken the rifle to several competition events, with the notion that Winchester might be able to get into the Bench rest market. Winchester had a very strong interested in the competition market back in the 60’s & 70’s.
Aside from the obvious, you can see in these photos that the rifle has some interesting features. A single shot action without a serial number. It wears the Winchester research proof. Notice the individually numbered bolts on the bottom plate and what I presume to be project numbers on the side of the free floating block.
Tom also provided me with a couple of letters to accompany the rifle. I’ve attached image copies here as well.
Ned
November 5, 2014
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Hi Ned-
VERY COOL!!! Thanks for the additional information!!! I’d remembered that you posted pics of this rifle on the Forum before and went back and found them for Chuck.
Did Winchester use the “WRP” research proof on guns made before 1964? Are any of your other R&D single shots so-marked?
Thanks,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
March 31, 2009
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1ned1 said
Hi all,
In addition to the link that Lou provided, I thought you might like me to supplement with a little additional information and a few more photos.
Back in the day, Tom had been helping me with my M70 single shot research. He asked if I would like to add the bench rifle and another single shot M70 that he had acquired from Max Thompson to my budding single shot collection. I of course jumped at the opportunity!
Tom mentioned that this was the only bench rest rifle to be produced by Winchester. He informed me that Max had indeed taken the rifle to several competition events, with the notion that Winchester might be able to get into the Bench rest market. Winchester had a very strong interested in the competition market back in the 60’s & 70’s.
Aside from the obvious, you can see in these photos that the rifle has some interesting features. A single shot action without a serial number. It wears the Winchester research proof. Notice the individually numbered bolts on the bottom plate and what I presume to be project numbers on the side of the free floating block.
Tom also provided me with a couple of letters to accompany the rifle. I’ve attached image copies here as well.Ned
Thank you for posting this. I knew I’d seen it before but could not find the Post. I’m building a Bench rifle. Here is a pic of my stock. It does not have all the wood work done. The only thing Winchester is the 284 Win cases. But these will be modified some too.
December 9, 2002
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Ned,
Thanks for replying and adding all that you have. Very good information that Chuck and Louis has resurrected, on here.
Chuck,
Good Luck with you’re interesting project. Can’t wait to see and hear the updates on this worth while project.
Anthony
June 19, 2009
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Louis Luttrell said
Hi Ned-
VERY COOL!!! Thanks for the additional information!!! I’d remembered that you posted pics of this rifle on the Forum before and went back and found them for Chuck.
Did Winchester use the “WRP” research proof on guns made before 1964? Are any of your other R&D single shots so-marked?
Thanks,
Lou
Good question Lou. Unfortunately I don’t have the answer.
None of the other SS70’s have the WRP stamp. I can’t recall if I’ve ever seen another Winchester rifle with a research proof. On page 311 in Rule’s book there is a research proof blue print. It’s entirely different, so they apparently did use multiple variations.
I have seen the WRP research proof on barrels. That would certainly be far more common. I have a couple of test barrels with the encircled WRP. I believe those barrels are post 63. They are not date stamped. I have some other test barrels that I know are pre-64 because they are date stamped. They don’t have any proof marks.
Ned
June 19, 2009
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Chuck said
1ned1 said
Hi all,
In addition to the link that Lou provided, I thought you might like me to supplement with a little additional information and a few more photos.
Back in the day, Tom had been helping me with my M70 single shot research. He asked if I would like to add the bench rifle and another single shot M70 that he had acquired from Max Thompson to my budding single shot collection. I of course jumped at the opportunity!
Tom mentioned that this was the only bench rest rifle to be produced by Winchester. He informed me that Max had indeed taken the rifle to several competition events, with the notion that Winchester might be able to get into the Bench rest market. Winchester had a very strong interested in the competition market back in the 60’s & 70’s.
Aside from the obvious, you can see in these photos that the rifle has some interesting features. A single shot action without a serial number. It wears the Winchester research proof. Notice the individually numbered bolts on the bottom plate and what I presume to be project numbers on the side of the free floating block.
Tom also provided me with a couple of letters to accompany the rifle. I’ve attached image copies here as well.
Ned
Thank you for posting this. I knew I’d seen it before but could not find the Post. I’m building a Bench rifle. Here is a pic of my stock. It does not have all the wood work done. The only thing Winchester is the 284 Win cases. But these will be modified some too.
Chuck,
Tell us a little bit more about the plans for your rifle. And I hope once it’s complete you will share it with us. I’ve seen images of your custom builds in previous posts.
Building competition rifles requires considerable knowledge. I’ve never done it. I’ll bet the results are satisfying!
Ned
March 31, 2009
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Anthony said
Chuck,
Good Luck with you’re interesting project. Can’t wait to see and hear the updates on this worth while project.
Anthony
Me too. The barrel is in Oregon and the stock is in Pennsylvania. Almost all the other parts are here in Ca.
March 31, 2009
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1ned1 said
Chuck,
Tell us a little bit more about the plans for your rifle. And I hope once it’s complete you will share it with us. I’ve seen images of your custom builds in previous posts.
Building competition rifles requires considerable knowledge. I’ve never done it. I’ll bet the results are satisfying!
Ned,
When finished this rifle will be legal for F Class Open competition. I’m not sure if I will ever compete but I want to learn to be competitive at 1,000 yards. Hardest part is finding a 1,000 yd range near me. Once load development is done at 100 yds I’d like to zero it in at 500 yds.
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