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Today I went to a friends place from work. He is in the process of buying a neighbors property.
As part of that process he is helping the old man and his (worthless kids) clean up the place.
He asked me over to help him with some firearms I has that will need to be sold.
There are three Model 94’s I’m going to be asking help on to make sure I’m not missing anything.
And to start out with the most interesting.
A 1928 era #1034204 Model 94 "Short Rifle" 22" Rd. barrel (muzzle appears correct) it has what I assume is a 7/8 magazine (unless it is a put together) Rear sight is a Low Kings Buckhorn (there is a flush mounted screw in the top of the barrel just behind it) Front sight is a typical blade. The receiver has a Saddle Ring stud (no ring) And it has a Marbles tang sight. Butt plate is the flat curved style. The wood on the butt stock looks to have been either replaced or refinished the patina on it is very flat and does not match the forend nor does the dings and dents of which it has none that aren’t very recent. Wood is proud just about what I would expect.
So do you guys think this is what it appears to be or is it some sort of put together?
And what it might be worth either way? or at least a range of value.
Okay, I’ll take a shot at it. First, it’s not a short rifle. It’s a saddle ring carbine. Replacement barrel and magazine tube. Buttstock may be a replacement. Let’s see what others have to say. What caliber is it?
If I remember correctly its 30WCF NICKEL STEEL And this could have been the one I thought I saw two Proofs on the barrel.
There was a lot of handing stuff around on a small table while we were doing this in an open shop while it was raining outside. Other wise I would have taken many more photos and notes.
I’m sure I will be back to double check on a number of things in the near future.
Looks like a 94/95 Variant. But would need, more photos and information. ❓
I have looked at the photos again and checked the serial number and I am sure that it is a 94 95 variant. 🙂 Rare gun.
I too, concur that this is a 94/95 hybrid carbine. It’s the more rare 22" variant with the pinned front sight, too. Before now, (per Bert’s survey) I believe there have only been 50 of these documented in existence. I don’t see this particular carbine on the survey, so this may potentially be the 51st hybrid to be added. There were 20" variants, as well as the 22" variants. The 22" variant is the most "rare" with only 9 or 10 documented (I believe). I own a 90% condition 20" variant with the dovetailed front sight and I would love to have a 22" version for it’s companion. When encountered, many inexperienced collectors/dealers would discount these as a non-original and pieced together gunsmith special–that is not the case. Very nice find. Check out the below links for more info.
http://www.rarewinchesters.com/gunroom/1894/M94-1025460/198904%20Hybrid%20Winchesters%201.pdf
WHOLELY SMOKES I think you guys just blew up my mind.
1. How do I set a value on this if it is a hybrid ?
2. How do I ever let something like this slip through my fingers if its confirmed.
3. How do I keep the evil little bastard in me from telling the guy who’s selling it that its not a junker put together and worth only a few hundred?
4. I may not sleep well tonight
5. Wonder if he could take payments
6. MAN I love this hobby.
Also, you can check out the long thread on this forum regarding the 94/95 hybrids below. This thread also includes a scanned copy of Rick Hill’s very fine article from the Winchester Collector magazine.
http://www.winchestercollector.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3075&highlight=hybrid
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Mark,
The Model 94 in question is indeed another one of the 94/95 Hybrid Carbines. With the addition of this one to my survey, I now have (52) of them recorded, (11) of which are the 21.75" barrel length, and the 7th one with the pinned front sight blade. 8) 8) 8)
If you measure the mag tube, you will find that it is the standard 20-inch length.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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Oh and Bert you are correct on the mag length I had it laying on a table between two other carbines a 1914 and a 1942 (using the PDF on Winchesters site) and it was obviously the same length.
I have been reading the older thread again I had scanned it when it got brought up earlier but never made the connection when I saw the rifle.
Not going to sleep tonight
Mark W. said
WHOLELY SMOKES I think you guys just blew up my mind.1. How do I set a value on this if it is a hybrid ?
2. How do I ever let something like this slip through my fingers if its confirmed.
3. How do I keep the evil little bastard in me from telling the guy who’s selling it that its not a junker put together and worth only a few hundred?
4. I may not sleep well tonight
5. Wonder if he could take payments
6. MAN I love this hobby.
I can take a stab at #1, but #2 thru #6 I can’t help much. I was told by an advanced collector that evaluated my 85-90% condition 20" hybrid carbine at $4,500.00 (roughly 2X the value of a standard 30 WCF carbine of the same era). Judging from the photos and your description (with the missing saddle ring), I would estimate this rifle to be in the 50% condition range and worth a good $2,000.00 to $2,500.00. What do others on this forum think? Heck, the tang sight alone is worth $150.00 to $200.00.
Wouldn’t double proof (assuming one is the circle p) rain on the value parade?
SB said
Wouldn’t double proof (assuming one is the circle p) rain on the value parade?
I highly doubt that the barrel on the subject SRC has the double proof mark.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I’ll be getting back in touch with the friend holding this rifle in the next day or so. At that time I will be discussing with him upgraded storage for the rifle (until which time the owners are ready to sell) and to iron out either a chance to purchase it or terms for assisting in its sale. In any case I will attempt to get much better photos of it.
Well a BIG UP DATE on this as of today. I found out the old man who owned the guns I appraised has passed on. The family is waiting on Probate before they doo anything. Est. to be 9 months.
The best indication from my friend who is currently holding all the firearms is that the family will most likely accept the offer I made on the 94/95 Hybrid. And the model 72.
So now I wait and think about squirreling a little money away each week so I can actually pay for them if they do come available.
Here’s one in comparable condition (except has a rifle butt-stock) that sold within 2 days on Guns International for $3,695.00. I tried multiple times to contact the seller to find out the serial number for the survey, but they don’t return my call.
Totally concur with the above. Definitely a 94/95 hybrid with the rare 22" barrel. I would value it in the $3,500 — $4,000 range.
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deerhunter said
Here’s one in comparable condition (except has a rifle butt-stock) that sold within 2 days on Guns International for $3,695.00. I tried multiple times to contact the seller to find out the serial number for the survey, but they don’t return my call.
I believe -from looking at the seller’s other listings on GI – that this seller "LS3" may be Bob Renneberg. Could be wrong. However, if that is the case, the gun has already been surveyed.
Matt
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