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January 19, 2013
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Do the carbines that did not come with a saddle ring in 1928 still have the threaded hole in the receiver for the ring stud? Or will it not be drilled.
A local is selling a 1928 carbine with the ring stud hole filled with a screw (flush fit) and he says it never had a Saddle ring.
I’m curious I’m not interested in buying it since he is asking about twice its actual value.
May 2, 2009
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The gun shows lots of wear to the receiver so no telling what is original any more.
Bob
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July 7, 2011
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First, I want to state that carbines are not something that I really follow but, in the earlyier years, if you ordered a carbine without the ring, the receiver was not drilled where one would have been. If this was still the case in 1928, I have no idea. I have seen carbines in the 1 million s/n range with a screw where a ring would have been so, untill the real experts on this chime in, you still do not have your answer.
Paul
September 9, 2011
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In my opinion, that carbine originally had a saddle ring. The so-called "Eastern carbines", just as the later ones, were not drilled and tapped for a saddle ring. However, since Winchester went to carbines without saddle rings at around that time, I guess it is possible that they used up some receivers that were already drilled. Bert will know if that was likely done.
December 31, 2012
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In my collection, I have two Eastern Carbines. # 1063819, 3-1930, and # 1066205, 5-1930. Neither has a ring and one has a 2/3 mag. and fluted buttstock with the M55 buttplate. The other is a standard carbine. It seems you have to pay extra for one without a ring. A little harder to find I guess. Big Larry
July 7, 2011
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This may be one similar to the one Mark W. is referring to.
Paul
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/pix5816974161_zpsdc7e7418.jpg.html
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March 20, 2010
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I cant remember what the cutoff year date is for when the saddle ring went from standard to non standard or "special order" feature. However, most later carbines I come across dont tend to have them. The examples shown above are potentially older stock receivers that they simply put a screw in to fill the hole to fit current manufacturing standards (without the saddle ring). Or, it came from a stock of receivers held back for those special order situations where a customer wanted a saddle ring on their carbine. My dad once had a really late, and original, 38-55 1/2 oct bbl rifle that was 85-90% or so that had a receiver tapped for a saddle ring stud but had the screw in there just like the carbines you show above. Just my 2 cents for what they are worth.
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September 9, 2011
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According to Madis, saddle rings were a special order option on all 1894 carbines after serial numbers reached 958,700 (1928?). And, apparently Winchester did ship some after that with plug screws in the holes, using up receivers that had already been drilled. I have a carbine ser. no. 1,062,304 (1930) that has a saddle ring, so, was it a special order?
April 15, 2005
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Mark W. said
Do the carbines that did not come with a saddle ring in 1928 still have the threaded hole in the receiver for the ring stud? Or will it not be drilled.A local is selling a 1928 carbine with the ring stud hole filled with a screw (flush fit) and he says it never had a Saddle ring.
I’m curious I’m not interested in buying it since he is asking about twice its actual value.
Mark,
While it is possible to find a 1928 production Model 94 with a filler screw in place of a saddle ring, it is not common. The vast number of the Eastern Carbines manufactured in the late 20s and early 30s do not have the hole drilled and tapped for the ring stud.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
April 15, 2005
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94shorties said
This may be one similar to the one Mark W. is referring to.Paul
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/pix5816974161_zpsdc7e7418.jpg.html
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Paul,
Great example of an Eastern with a factory filler screw.
Bert
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April 15, 2005
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oakridge said
According to Madis, saddle rings were a special order option on all 1894 carbines after serial numbers reached 958,700 (1928?). And, apparently Winchester did ship some after that with plug screws in the holes, using up receivers that had already been drilled. I have a carbine ser. no. 1,062,304 (1930) that has a saddle ring, so, was it a special order?
Unfortunately, Madis was not accurate in regards to the discontinuance of the SRC. Serial number 958700 was manufactured in the year 1923. Saddle Rings were standard on the Carbines through 1931, though there were a lot of Eastern Carbines made starting in late 1928. Serial number 1062304 was a standard SRC versus special order.
Bert
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September 9, 2011
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Thanks, Bert. I knew your research on the 94 Winchesters would result in much more accurate information.
January 19, 2013
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Thanks Bert and all of you guys for the education. The seller turned into a rather snotty person calling me names and such when I tried to correct some of what he was saying about the Carbine he wanted $2500.00 for.
The most unique was his point that the bluing wasn’t missing from the receiver. Since the barrel said Nickel Steel on it that means the action was in fact Nickel plated that was just a little tarnished and would clean right up.
I gave up on him and he eventually pulled the ad.
December 31, 2012
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Let us know who this jerk was so we can avoid him. Big Larry
January 19, 2013
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No problem Larry it was an ad posted on a local Facebook Private firearms for sale page. I seriously doubt this guy would ever venture out into the real world. Its one of those places where if a price is listed with the ad the seller is asking MSRP + 20% for a used gun and anything older then 1970 is a rare antique in excellent condition (for its age of course) and they want twice what its worth.
Once in a great while a decent price shows up on some single shot .22 or maybe a shotgun so I keep hoping.
October 19, 2013
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as being fairly new to this site I have to fess up that my interest has been
mainly been in the Marlin fire-arms. a few years ago I ventured into the
Winchester brand to learn and compare the 2 companies and the fire-arms
they produced. I have several questions I hope can be addressed as I
am limited on my information on Winchester. this would be a good place to
ask my first question. the old Marlin catalogs listed the Model 1893/93 as
the sling ring being standard on the carbine version till around 1923 then
it was dropped from being listed. do the Winchester catalogs make any
mention of this practice thanks jim
April 15, 2005
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Jim,
In answer to your question, Yes, the Winchester catalogs did indeed mention when production changes were made.
Bert
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October 19, 2013
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Bert
thanks for the reply I would really be interested in knowing what was
the last year that the 94 was cataloged with the saddle ring?
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