1894 deluxe matted barrel takedown on GB|Winchester Rifles|Forum|Winchester Collector

The beating on the edge of the receiver and the partial obliteration of some of the serial numbers is very unsightly.  I don’t see how if could be repaired either.  Yes, red flags for me too.  Unfortunate that so much of what is purported to being collectable out there, is so questionable.

Eagle said
Sally has had this gun for sale on GB for a year or so. At one time it was at $4500.00. She recently took some better pictures and raised the price. I mentioned something to her about originality back when it was first listed a year or so ago. She really got bent and banned me from ever bidding on anything or hers for ever and ever. Peter  

BOBR94 said
G’Mornin.

My opinion.

At the time of the non-patent-dated tang change — around serials of 223XXX+- (Type 1A to Type 2,there were a stock of previously made barrels that were NOT marked with patent date info (the earlier tangs carried the patent markings). After the new tang style, installation of these older barrels on a Type 2 marked receiver would result in a specimen with NO patent information. Hence the additional patent marking on the barrel of the specimen seen in the photos.

There is another instance of this type of oversight, whereby guns were accidentally made with no model designation. These will be seen with a substitute Model designation stamped on the RIGHT side of specimens with the earlier marked (designated Type 5 and earlier barrel markings, and Type 6 tang markings).The right side of these Type 5 marked specimens with Type 6 tangs will be found with an abbreviated Type 6 barrel marking applied after the bluing. These may be found in the Late 700XXX to 1M range.

I am not saying that this is one of those. The SN# disparity is too great to be original. It appears that someone mated an earlier TD front end to a later receiver and tightened it up by disfiguring the receiver rather than using the correct method — now we have some decent parts but a lot of junk as well. The barrel is very early with the dovetailed front sight on a lightweight, the matting is correct and the buttstock is nice but the FE is bogus (IMHO).

All this info is in my Third Edition, likely available on a CD shortly. It has expanded to 126,000 words and 525 pages with about 700 color/bw photos — some new, some from earlier editions, Post-63s and Mirokus will be included. I’m exploring publishing as we speak — it will likely be my final effort.

Regards,

B  

Bob,

Glad to see you’re coming out with a Third Edition.  Let us know when it’s ready.

Thanks,

Al

Rick C said

Eagle said
I mentioned something to her about originality back when it was first listed a year or so ago. She really got bent and banned me from ever bidding on anything or hers for ever and ever. Peter
  

That is a big red flag 🚩 
Has anyone dealt with Guns By Sally or recommend this seller? 
  

I have. I bought a beautiful engraved 1894 Winchester for $5500 from her off GB back in May or June of this year. I got it no problem but she is nutty. Her listing said they take Credit Cards for payment but she then got mad at me because I wanted to pay by Credit Card. She tried to talk me out of it but when she couldn’t sway me she said her husband would call me back to take payment. He does, nice guy and no problem. Next thing I know she sends me an email asking for my personal email which I give her thinking she just wants to sell me something and avoid GB fees but no. She sends me a very long email telling me how I am a bad person for paying by cc, how her husband begged me to send a check (he didn’t and never even asked) and how she lists her guns on Guns International as well and I should have bought it there and that my actions cost us both money. She even included a breakdown to illustrate what I cost us both. She ended her email telling me she considered giving me negative feedback on GB because of my actions. She ultimately gave me an A+ stating “ A spring sale of a gun is a good thing”. I never replied to her but found her as I stated a bit nutty!

Can we start a thread to share GB stories? I’ve caught more than one seller on GB bidding on their own items to run the price up and was even able to prove one and sent to GB but they didn’t care or do anything about it. Would be nice to have a folder here where we could post warnings for each other. Thanks

bobr94 said

All this info is in my Third Edition, likely available on a CD shortly. It has expanded to 126,000 words and 525 pages with about 700 color/bw photos — some new, some from earlier editions, Post-63s and Mirokus will be included. I’m exploring publishing as we speak — it will likely be my final effort.
Regards,
B
  

Let us know when this is done!!! Thanks for your work on it!

For those wanting to have a page or folder to post negative experiences–I recommend not doing so.  I am not privy to what technically happened on the Chrysler 300 International, Inc., website (I no longer am a member having gotten rid of my letter cars), but at one time when I was active, they tried the same thing.  Listed parts dealers, etc, that provided poor service or pawned off Chinese repro parts for original, etc.  It got large quickly and was strictly a person expressing their experiences.  Someone threatened legal action and the page/folder was scrapped.  The club could not afford to defend itself even if it could prove a point.  Eventually someone’s toes will be trod on, and they will at least threaten action.  My opinion only, and your experiences may differ!  Tim