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January 8, 2025
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When loading this rifle, if I put the cartridge all the way into the magazine so that the loading gate pops back up, the loading gate hangs up and I have a lot of trouble getting the next one in. If I leave the rear of the cartridge sticking out, the loading gate pushes it rearward, so I had to hold it in place against the receiver in one hand and push it in with the nose of the next cartridge and repeat. My 1974 94 in 30-30 doesn’t do this. I can either run the cartridge in and close the gate and repeat with next cartridge or leave the rim out and push with the next cartridge. (As seen on TV). I was thinking I should look at the cartridge stop. Since I’m new to 25-35 I thought I d ask if perhaps my technique was just off.
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Adam
April 15, 2005
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MidwestCrisis said
When loading this rifle, if I put the cartridge all the way into the magazine so that the loading gate pops back up, the loading gate hangs up and I have a lot of trouble getting the next one in. If I leave the rear of the cartridge sticking out, the loading gate pushes it rearward, so I had to hold it in place against the receiver in one hand and push it in with the nose of the next cartridge and repeat. My 1974 94 in 30-30 doesn’t do this. I can either run the cartridge in and close the gate and repeat with next cartridge or leave the rim out and push with the next cartridge. (As seen on TV). I was thinking I should look at the cartridge stop. Since I’m new to 25-35 I thought I d ask if perhaps my technique was just off.
Thanks,
Adam
Adam,
The specific cartridge your rifle is chambered for has no direct bearing on the problem. The rim diameters are identical for all five of the cartridges available in the Model 1894, hence the loading gate, cartridge stop, magazine tube, etc. are all identical regardless of the specific cartridge.
I suspect that if you disassemble and clean it thoroughly, your problem might correct itself.
Bert
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March 20, 2010
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MidwestCrisis said
When loading this rifle, if I put the cartridge all the way into the magazine so that the loading gate pops back up, the loading gate hangs up and I have a lot of trouble getting the next one in. If I leave the rear of the cartridge sticking out, the loading gate pushes it rearward, so I had to hold it in place against the receiver in one hand and push it in with the nose of the next cartridge and repeat. My 1974 94 in 30-30 doesn’t do this. I can either run the cartridge in and close the gate and repeat with next cartridge or leave the rim out and push with the next cartridge. (As seen on TV). I was thinking I should look at the cartridge stop. Since I’m new to 25-35 I thought I d ask if perhaps my technique was just off.
Thanks,
Adam
Not sure what your experiencing isnt normal. The cartridge stop is located at the end of the floorplate, closest to the magazine tube. Dont see how that could be of any issue. If you load a cartridge with the end of the cartridge sticking out, yes, the tension on the spring will push it back out unless you push it almost all the way through the loading gate opening and use the next cartridge to push it through the loading gate opening the rest of the way, then repeat. When you push down on the loading gate with the tip of the bullet, the top and bottom flared ends of the loading gate bare against the rim of the cartridge and push it forward, on the back side of the loading gate is a beveled gusset so that when the loading gate is pushed down, the cartridge head gets pushed past the cartridge stop. Unless something else is going on, I dont know that there is really an issue.
CH
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January 8, 2025
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MidwestCrisis said
When loading this rifle, if I put the cartridge all the way into the magazine so that the loading gate pops back up, the loading gate hangs up and I have a lot of trouble getting the next one in. If I leave the rear of the cartridge sticking out, the loading gate pushes it rearward, so I had to hold it in place against the receiver in one hand and push it in with the nose of the next cartridge and repeat. My 1974 94 in 30-30 doesn’t do this. I can either run the cartridge in and close the gate and repeat with next cartridge or leave the rim out and push with the next cartridge. (As seen on TV). I was thinking I should look at the cartridge stop. Since I’m new to 25-35 I thought I d ask if perhaps my technique was just off.
Thanks,
Adam
Not sure what your experiencing isnt normal. The cartridge stop is located at the end of the floorplate, closest to the magazine tube. Dont see how that could be of any issue. If you load a cartridge with the end of the cartridge sticking out, yes, the tension on the spring will push it back out unless you push it almost all the way through the loading gate opening and use the next cartridge to push it through the loading gate opening the rest of the way, then repeat. When you push down on the loading gate with the tip of the bullet, the top and bottom flared ends of the loading gate bare against the rim of the cartridge and push it forward, on the back side of the loading gate is a beveled gusset so that when the loading gate is pushed down, the cartridge head gets pushed past the cartridge stop. Unless something else is going on, I dont know that there is really an issue.
CH
With a cartridge in the magazine the loading gate doesn’t push all the way down, with some fiddling, I can get it sometimes. After loading it cycles well.
I had not disassembled the rifle completely. Internally it was clean. I used some ballistiol to lube things up. I’ll look at the flared end of the gate and look for gunk in the cartridge stop.
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Adam
June 15, 2024
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Try opening the action / lowering the lever just a little and see if your feeding issues resolve.
I have a similar problem with an 1894 and after removing the magazine tube was able to see that the carrier was raising just slightly when the action fully closed. This in turn interfered with the loading gate.
There are a some threads on this forum that suggest the problem is from a worn carrier spring. Replacing the carrier spring didn’t fix my problem but it did for others.
The slight break in the action allowed mine to be fed properly and then lock up and cycle perfectly. Not ideal, but for a weapon that’s more than 100 years old I suppose it’s allowed a quirk or two.
January 28, 2016
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Check to see that the spring cover screw is tight. Next, disassemble the gun, remove the spring cover and see if it is bent. I just went through the same issues as you with an 1894 button mag in 30wcf with a bent spring cover.
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