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jwm94 said
I’m all ears, Steve!!!
And agree with you.
James
By the way, those two rifles would look very nice together… I suspect that thought has not escaped Burt’s attention… 
steve004 said
By the way, those two rifles would look very nice together… I suspect that thought has not escaped Burt’s attention…
That might be the best of both worlds for me!!’?
Its nice for sure but priced out of reasonable range for what it is IMHO. Would agree the hammer isnt the early style as you would expect. Interesting as mentioned, no letter, and no mention of the SN.
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1892takedown said
Its nice for sure but priced out of reasonable range for what it is IMHO. Would agree the hammer isnt the early style as you would expect. Interesting as mentioned, no letter, and no mention of the SN.
I believe the serial number is 51720.
Here is another one of my 1892’s. This one isn’t a deluxe, but it’s an antique, 44-40 with a few nice features.
steve004 said
Al – very, very nice pieces. I enjoyed looking at them.
agree – these are both outstanding Model 1892’s – lots of nice guns out there, they are just locked up in collections.
steve004 said
Burt – even though I have only photos to go by, your deluxe .25-20 appears in notably higher condition than this .44-40. I would say that were this .44-40 in the same condition as your .25-20, I would find the advertised price more reasonable.
Here are a couple more photos – hard to compare with antique, 44, full octagon, full mag, rifle butt.
Burt –
Thanks for posting the additional pictures. It sure appears in very top condition. I like the shotgun butt and half magazine. And it is a takedown as well 🙂
I will concede your rifle wouldn’t be as good on deer-sized or larger game as the .44-40 we’ve been discussing.
Burt,
That is one nice model 1892 deluxe. You don’t see many antiques in that condition.
Al
Well I sold one a few years back ser#616609 although not antique and being 25-20 it was in nicer cond. than this one I don’t have pics but it is available for in the $15000.00 range. 24″o.b., f.m., p.g. chkrd., 1x wood, inscribed rcv’r . I think , personal opinion only , this gun is way over priced for what it is
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jwm94 said
I had to get off the iPhone and on the laptop to get a better look at the pics.Bert: How can you appraise the condition as Excellent+ with the marring of the metal and wood?
Steve: I haven’t stopped thinking about this rifle since the discussion last night, and I awoke with it on my mind as well. Why is it when one has a budget in mind, it’s always shot to hell and back?!
Chuck: I’m out of it at the price listed, and I don’t want to make an offer that the seller might take as a low-ball. I’d be in it for over 30k after state taxes.
Aussie and tionesta: Thanks for the comments about the letter and the hammer…both of which would have to be checked out.
James
James I have not stopped thinking of this gun. It is more than I usually spend but I sure wish I owned it. There is no book value on this gun. It is so rare that this has come to market no one has seen enough of these sell to have a book value. I do not feel it is over priced but it is a lot of money for me. Here is a picture of my 1892. Ser# 35749.
Chuck said
jwm94 said
I had to get off the iPhone and on the laptop to get a better look at the pics.Bert: How can you appraise the condition as Excellent+ with the marring of the metal and wood?
Steve: I haven’t stopped thinking about this rifle since the discussion last night, and I awoke with it on my mind as well. Why is it when one has a budget in mind, it’s always shot to hell and back?!
Chuck: I’m out of it at the price listed, and I don’t want to make an offer that the seller might take as a low-ball. I’d be in it for over 30k after state taxes.
Aussie and tionesta: Thanks for the comments about the letter and the hammer…both of which would have to be checked out.
James
James I have not stopped thinking of this gun. It is more than I usually spend but I sure wish I owned it. There is no book value on this gun. It is so rare that this has come to market no one has seen enough of these sell to have a book value. I do not feel it is over priced but it is a lot of money for me. Here is a picture of my 1892. Ser# 35749.
Chuck – first of all, that’s a very decent specimen of a ’92 rifle.
On the subject at hand, I’ve also found myself thinking about this rifle. It represents an interesting conundrum and mental exercise. Were the rifle priced at a point that most of us feel would be more reasonable, we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all – because it would be long gone. We are only having this discussion because it is presently priced at the very upper limit and no one has pulled the trigger – yet.
Chuck, you’re right that something like this comes along very rarely. So, if you really want one, pass on this … and not all of us here have another 30 years to wait for the next one. So, let’s say you really want it and you know you can’t wait 30 years for the next one. The next factor is the money. Do you have the money? There are some (not me) for whom money is far from in short supply. And that’s how these pieces are often sold. For me to say the piece is overpriced and too much money, that is largely influenced by how spending that amount would impact my bottom line. Most of the time, pieces like this are sold to buyers for whom the cost of the rifle has a very minimal impact on their bottom line. My two cents anyway.
steve004 said
Chuck – first of all, that’s a very decent specimen of a ’92 rifle.
On the subject at hand, I’ve also found myself thinking about this rifle. It represents an interesting conundrum and mental exercise. Were the rifle priced at a point that most of us feel would be more reasonable, we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all – because it would be long gone. We are only having this discussion because it is presently priced at the very upper limit and no one has pulled the trigger – yet.
Chuck, you’re right that something like this comes along very rarely. So, if you really want one, pass on this … and not all of us here have another 30 years to wait for the next one. So, let’s say you really want it and you know you can’t wait 30 years for the next one. The next factor is the money. Do you have the money? There are some (not me) for whom money is far from in short supply. And that’s how these pieces are often sold. For me to say the piece is overpriced and too much money, that is largely influenced by how spending that amount would impact my bottom line. Most of the time, pieces like this are sold to buyers for whom the cost of the rifle has a very minimal impact on their bottom line. My two cents anyway.
Thanks Steve. Generally all I collect are decent specimens. I don’t have another 30 years, probably not half that. I’m having a problem with the price too. I think most are having the same issue but many have never seen a gun like this for sale before or looked for one for 30 years. The hammer is an issue. Even my antique 94 has the earlier hammer. I am somewhat curious about the bore but I’m not the type to get hung up on bores. I do shoot so I want some rifling. But the fact is the outer appearance is more important. This is not a mint gun. I emailed the seller.
I’ve collected rifles with greater rarity than this one – and paid a lot less. Why? Because they weren’t WINCHESTERS. That’s what were up against – the tremendous popularity of Winchesters. Surely, the most collectable brand rifle there ever was – and continues to be. There are just so darn many Winchester collectors out there; of which, many are high rollers.
Back to this rifle. We are talking about one of the most popular and desirable model/caliber/configurations out there. I do understand the logic of pricing the rifle where it is. I think the best fit for this rifle is someone who will barely notice the subtraction from their bank account. That isn’t me, and James has said it isn’t him.
Having said all of the above, it’s all relative. Someone was recently filling me in on the cost of new trucks these days. You could lose more in depreciation on a new vehicle over a few years than the entire cost of this rifle.
Are other M1892’s serialized in 1895 found with hammers w/o the widow’s peak? If not, it would be a very significant issue to me, especially at that price point.
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
Al: Thank your for posting the pics on your two very nice rifles. I like them both.
Chuck: My thanks to you, too, for posting up the pic of your ’92 as well! What caliber is it? Also, keep us posted on the response you get from the owner of the subject deluxe.
Burt: I very much enjoyed the extra pics of your beautiful 25-20, for sure.
Henry, thank you for the information!
James
James – my advice to you is to take a road trip to Fredericksburg, Texas where the 92 is located and spend some time looking at it. Fredericksburg is near Austin in the Texas hill country – they have beautiful weather this time of year. You need to sit down with this rifle in your lap and then you can thoroughly evaluate the condition – take Steve with you as 4 eyes are better than 2. Then, you can look at the hammer issue, check the mechanical aspects & function, inspect the bore and look at the letter for comparison of the actual gun with the museum records. If you have concerns you can take pics and send to Bert and other knowledgeable members here on the Forum. Have you been able to locate any other information on this gun regarding where is has been. The dealer who has it for sale on Guns International does not have it listed in his inventory so it may be a consignment. At the least, pick up the phone, talk to the seller and ask about the hammer, letter and bore.
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