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December 9, 2024
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https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1145103088
Any predictions on what price it will reach?
Is that recoil pad original?
November 8, 2011
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Recoil pad with a 1922 patent date on a 1910 gun.
April 15, 2005
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The correct recoil pad would have been a Silvers solid rubber pad or a Jotsam NO-SHOC pad.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
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Beautiful wood, tastefully restored at some point.
Mike
November 19, 2006
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The seller started the auction at a penny with no reserve. I think that is going to play strongly to his favor.
No mention of a museum letter. I wonder if it was shipped with rubber pad?
April 15, 2005
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steve004 said
The seller started the auction at a penny with no reserve. I think that is going to play strongly to his favor.
No mention of a museum letter. I wonder if it was shipped with rubber pad?
It is outside of the letterable serial number range. The odds are very high that it originally had the standard black hard rubber Winchester butt plate on it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
October 29, 2011
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I prefer CB and OB or Part Octagon, but this piece is lovely 10-12K? Bill
December 9, 2002
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Does anyone agree with me on the fact that in the 16 th picture, of the close up of the right side of the stock, at the top of the tang, the wood to metal fit is a little void where the metal meets the wood? In the first picture, at the top of the tang, being on the opposite side, the wood looks a little rounded, as possibly being sanded!
Picky??? Darn right! If I’m spending that kind of $$$$, on a nice collectable, I want to know that it’s correct. I agree with the butt plate being possibly replaced, and an easy fix, as far as not misrepresenting the piece!
My point is that maybe more was done to this than we realize!
Like many have said in the past, that we need to handle this one, before laying out that kind of money! IMHO!
Anthony
September 22, 2011
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Anthony said
Does anyone agree with me on the fact that in the 16 th picture, of the close up of the right side of the stock, at the top of the tang, the wood to metal fit is a little void where the metal meets the wood? In the first picture, at the top of the tang, being on the opposite side, the wood looks a little rounded, as possibly being sanded!
Picky??? Darn right! If I’m spending that kind of $$$$, on a nice collectable, I want to know that it’s correct. I agree with the butt plate being possibly replaced, and an easy fix, as far as not misrepresenting the piece!
My point is that maybe more was done to this than we realize!
Like many have said in the past, that we need to handle this one, before laying out that kind of money! IMHO!
Anthony
100% agree.
Once I saw a recoil pad with a 1922 patent date on a 1910 production rifle, I quickly lost interest.
July 3, 2020
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Visually, I think it’s a beautiful rifle (even with a pad), but pic 7 shows too much pad spacer in the fitment. Santa Bert is once again absolutely correct that a Silvers or Jotsam pad would period proper. I have several higher end rifles with properly installed pads from the factory (G&H 1903 customs)… I’ve come to accept that I’m ignorant enough to like the appearance. 😉
November 7, 2015
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I agree, Anthony. That was my earlier point. For me the wood is a deal maker and a deal breaker. I had the same issues with fit, maybe this wood came from a different rifle. Something about the checkering bothers me but the fit is the bigger issue. As Bert notes we will not know the factory conformation of this rifle. Yes, it’s a beautiful rifle to me because of the wood and suitable as a shooter with the updated recoil pad but not a good acquisition target for a discerning collector.
Mike
December 9, 2002
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Ben said
Visually, I think it’s a beautiful rifle (even with a pad), but pic 7 shows too much pad spacer in the fitment. Santa Bert is once again absolutely correct that a Silvers or Jotsam pad would period proper. I have several higher end rifles with properly installed pads from the factory (G&H 1903 customs)… I’ve come to accept that I’m ignorant enough to like the appearance. 😉
Ben,
I also love the look of this rifle, as many others do! I’m just not a buyer!
Anthony
February 17, 2022
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Here is my 2 cents. First the recoil pad is not original, already determined. Second in regards to Anthony’s idea to simply replace the pad with a rubber SB plate I say it wont work. Here’s why, The stock has been cut, plain and simple. The dimensions the seller provides are off, I believe. After measuring several 86’s with SB they all measured 12 7/8″ from the invert of the trigger to the end of wood. Plus the mortise for the widow’s peak is missing from this stock, and the measurement the seller provides is exactly where the mortise stops. So even if you re mortised the stock the trigger pull will be off by 3/8″. Ergo the stock was cut and this pad added on. I also question the thickness of the spacer.
The wood is clearly redone as the fit is very lose and rounded. It is nice to look at and will be interesting to see where the money fly’s on it, but I believe it will be at about $5800 -$5900. I see some one that knows enough to know it can’t letter and is pushing the envelope on this one. Happens all the time, but someone that isn’t knowledgeable about 86’s will latch on to this think they got a great deal!
December 9, 2002
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oldcrankyyankee said
Here is my 2 cents. First the recoil pad is not original, already determined. Second in regards to Anthony’s idea to simply replace the pad with a rubber SB plate I say it wont work. Here’s why, The stock has been cut, plain and simple. The dimensions the seller provides are off, I believe. After measuring several 86’s with SB they all measured 12 7/8″ from the invert of the trigger to the end of wood. Plus the mortise for the widow’s peak is missing from this stock, and the measurement the seller provides is exactly where the mortise stops. So even if you re mortised the stock the trigger pull will be off by 3/8″. Ergo the stock was cut and this pad added on. I also question the thickness of the spacer.
The wood is clearly redone as the fit is very lose and rounded. It is nice to look at and will be interesting to see where the money fly’s on it, but I believe it will be at about $5800 -$5900. I see some one that knows enough to know it can’t letter and is pushing the envelope on this one. Happens all the time, but someone that isn’t knowledgeable about 86’s will latch on to this think they got a great deal!
Thank you for setting me straight on this this one. I’m guilty of making a quick evaluation without checking into the details, as if I was interested in this one, I would have spent more time and read more as I should have! I thought the stock looked short in the quick glance of the photo, but like I said I didn’t read it! I thought maybe the photo’s angle was poor, with that view. In all honesty. It’s sad to see that someone is looking at it who knows better, and a player in the bidding, as I’m thinking they’ll want it for a table gun at a show, or relist it elsewhere. This is what collecting has come down to. Buyer beware, as always.
Anthony
November 19, 2006
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This is not the rifle for a fussy collector but it would make a great hunting rifle. I wouldn’t take it out on a rainy day of course. However, this rifle will sell for a collector rifle price, not a hunting rifle price. If I’m going to pay a collector price I want collector condition. Like Big Larry used to say about not buying pieces that you have to make excuses about.
March 31, 2009
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steve004 said
This is not the rifle for a fussy collector but it would make a great hunting rifle. I wouldn’t take it out on a rainy day of course.
Why not? It won’t shrink. A properly maintained rifle will be fine if it gets wet. Wipe it down, open the action and let it dry out. Dry air or a hair dryer or something like WD-40 will displace water. Re oil. Never put one away wet.
November 19, 2006
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Chuck said
steve004 said
This is not the rifle for a fussy collector but it would make a great hunting rifle. I wouldn’t take it out on a rainy day of course.
Why not? It won’t shrink. A properly maintained rifle will be fine if it gets wet. Wipe it down, open the action and let it dry out. Dry air or a hair dryer or something like WD-40 will displace water. Re oil. Never put one away wet.
Chuck –
Your points are good ones, but I still wouldn’t do it 
