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Bert,
I believe you and Rick have a survey going for S.F.P.D. carbines? This one in on Gun Broker http://www.gunbroker.com/item/709551736, serial #1084115, and is a “transitional” carbine with the ramp front sight. (no provision for sight hood). Is there a list of all 80 S.F.P.D. carbines?
Al
Al,
Thanks. Bob Renneberg alerted me to this particular SFPD Carbine yesterday, and I added it to the survey. Currently, I have (27) of the (80) SFPD Carbines entered in the survey. I am unaware of a list that contains the serial numbers for all (80), but I would love to find it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi Bert,
Do you have this one (link below) in your survey? It’s been for sale on GB for quite awhile. I have serial # 1075741 in my collection, but I believe you already have that one.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/708240539
Don
Don,
Yes, I have it. The auction listing for that SFPD Carbine is not accurate… there was (1) of the (80) that is a SRC, and not all of the serial numbers are in the 1.07 – 1.08 million serial number range.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Al,Thanks. Bob Renneberg alerted me to this particular SFPD Carbine yesterday, and I added it to the survey. Currently, I have (27) of the (80) SFPD Carbines listed. I am unaware of a list that contains the serial numbers for all (80), but would love to find it.
Bert
Funny. I was watching that one and got a notification that the seller updated the listing. Then I saw this post.
Bert on the job again!
Steve
WACA Member. CFM Member. NRA Lifer.
November 7, 2015
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I saw an 1894 carbine stamped “L.A.P.D.” on the receiver in my recent wanderings, do any of these PD marked guns command a premium or is it just another interesting piece of history? It was in pretty rough shape.
TXGunNut said
I saw an 1894 carbine stamped “L.A.P.D.” on the receiver in my recent wanderings, do any of these PD marked guns command a premium or is it just another interesting piece of history? It was in pretty rough shape.
Unless you are a collector of PD marked guns, I would consider them “defaced”. Back in the day, PD guns were regularly sold to civilians through auctions. I bought a real nice M12 Riotgun and a M1907 Police Rifle that had been defaced with a Dremel tool. Very little interest in these SDPD and SDSO marked guns.
Just like the idiots who put their SS numbers on guns.
In my collection, I have a drippy mint M97 Trenchgun from 1943. In very small, professionally stamped letters, it is stamped JPD 6 on the knob of the stock. Unless you are looking for it, you may miss it. Cannot find out who JPD is. Even Bruce Canfield did not know. Personally, I would never had bought this gun, but for a little over $2000, I figured I could not go wrong. Big Larry
TXGunNut said
I saw an 1894 carbine stamped “L.A.P.D.” on the receiver in my recent wanderings, do any of these PD marked guns command a premium or is it just another interesting piece of history? It was in pretty rough shape.
Mike,
The vast majority of the PD marked guns have no provenance with them, and many of them were spuriously marked in an attempt to make them more valuable. In the case of the S.F.P.D. marked Model 94 Carbines, there is provenance, which for many collectors adds a premium to the value. Verifiable documentation is the trump card so to speak.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
What do you think of the “provenance” regarding this 1894 carbine?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/709561936
Don
deerhunter said
Bert,What do you think of the “provenance” regarding this 1894 carbine?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/709561936
Don
Don,
On the surface, it appears to be legitimate. At its current bid price, it doesn’t really matter if it is authentic or not.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I’ve been watching this one as it’s from my neck of the woods. Good to know there are no glaring issues. I guess I’m just one of the suckers that kinda likes this sort of “defacing”. I know, I know, buy the gun, not the story, but it’s kinda cool to have a little knowledge of the history of these rifles. To me, it adds a little extra “life” to the fun of owning one. Makes for good conversation too.
Always great opinions around here.
Steve
WACA Member. CFM Member. NRA Lifer.
deerhunter said
Bert,What do you think of the “provenance” regarding this 1894 carbine?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/709561936
Don
I like the fact that it has the letter from the Sheriff verifying that it once belonged to Orange County Sheriffs Dept.
Al
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