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1894 short rifle for Gary's survey
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Hey Gary,

Not sure if you saw this one already. It looks legit to me even with the long forearm wood.  What do you think?  It’s my understanding the 20″ barreled 1894’s, more often than not, had the short forearm wood.  Thinking this is an exception to that rule??

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-lever-pre-64/winchester-model-1894-short-rifle-1-2-octagon.cfm?gun_id=102988693

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Don,

Per my survey, just over 13% of the 20″ barrelled Model 1894 Short rifles have a 9 ⅜ forend stock.  The preponderance of them with the longer forend stock also have the ½ Octagon barrels… not sure it there is any correlation.

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Thanks Bert.  I really like the looks of that GI gun–I think the 1894 shorties with the 1/2 octagon barrels look pretty cool, especially with full magazines.  That logic regarding the 1/2 octagon barrels with the long forearm wood also correlates with my 22″ 1894 short rifle:

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On first pass, I don’t see anything that would scare me away from this one. For the 20″ rifles, I have 237 of them logged and 76% of them have a short forearm. For the 65 of them in the letterable range, 67% of them have the short forearm. I’ve always found it interesting that the earlier examples have a higher number of them with the long forearm.

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As a clarifier to my previous reply post, my survey begins at serial number 354000 (the non-letterable guns), and I only have (190) 20″ Short rifles documented.  Gary’s survey covers all of the pre & post letterable Model 1894s.

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On first pass, I don’t see anything that would scare me away from this one. For the 20″ rifles, I have 237 of them logged and 76% of them have a short forearm. For the 65 of them in the letterable range, 67% of them have the short forearm. I’ve always found it interesting that the earlier examples have a higher number of them with the long forearm.

  

Thanks for the info Gary.  I figured the percentage of 1894 shorties with long wood would have been smaller than that.  To Bert’s point, are the majority of those in your  survey with long wood also have 1/2 octagon barrels?

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Don,

No, that is not what my surveys show, but just the opposite. Looking at the 20″ and 22″ combined (since those are the largest samples pools with both sizes of forearms), I have 109 rifles with 9 3/8″ wood. 

Of those-

RB – 41 (38%)

OB – 46 (42%)

1/2 – 22 (20%)

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Also, to stay with the 20 & 22″ pool, I have 564 rifles, so the 109 w/ long wood I mentioned above is ~19%. You can break it down many ways but overall, the data has shown there are 20% give or take that have the long wood, and many that letter as short rifles.

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pdog72 said
Also, to stay with the 20 & 22″ pool, I have 564 rifles, so the 109 w/ long wood I mentioned above is ~19%. You can break it down many ways but overall, the data has shown there are 20% give or take that have the long wood, and many that letter as short rifles.

Great information, and very close to what I expected it would be.

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Yes, great information guys!  Pretty cool that your survey data can be used provide us with that type of statistical information.  Keep up the great work, it is much appreciated by all.

Don

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