I hope this is ok to ask here and put in links, but I’m new to collecting these rifles and sometimes I see guns that go for way more than I’d ever pay for one. If not, my bad and please delete.
Here’s an example – https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1086740965 1890 Long on GB .It went for over $1800 with tax and shipping.
Can someoone tell me why? It looks refinished to me but can someone tell me for sure? There’s pitting on the front of the barrel and the buttplate that’s clearly been reblued. And the wood fitment near the top of the buttplate is clearly “off” – and the fitment to the tange seems it’s been sanded. Or am I wrong?
I often can’t figure out why certain rifles bring so much, this is one of them. I’m guessing there’s soemthing about it.
Would really like to learn more so I don’t spend more than something is worth.
Thanks guys
Thanks!
Have patience, I’m a bit slow, lol, I didn’t read far enough in to see it’s refinished, mostly because I couldn’t believe someone would pay that much for a “refinished” gun – I just figured I was missing something that made it more valuable.
What’s intertesting is that these “refinished” guns often bring far more than they should, almost always. The “nicer” refinished guns (talking 1890s here) have a starting point of about $1k.k
To be fair, Rusty jack – who I think is a member here, sells some from time to time that are very well done from what I can tell, and clearly worth the money for someone who wants the equivalent of a NEW Made in USA gun today they can shoot and use vs a collector, for quite a bit less that what it would actually cost to build here in USA in todays market. I get that – but this auction here – I can’t grasp the reasoning. I’m guessing they’re just not informed??
I would love to see the Miroku factory bring the 1890 back. IF they kept to the original design (no added safeties, rebounding hammers, etc) I’d probably spend up to $1500 for one. I’m surprised they haven’t yet made one, or at least the 9422.
Somebody (the winning bidder) did exactly what you did… they did not read the entire auction description! That rifle has been 100% refinished (wood & steel) and is not worth more than 25% of the winning bid amount. In my experience, there is an absolute plethora of truly ignorant Gunbroker buyers!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
The worst of them read the full description after they win the auction, get Buyer’s Remorse and stiff the seller. The “F” feedback doesn’t keep them from doing it again. There’s no way to block bidders in advance of their first bid. Gunbroker will do nothing to bar them until their buyer feedback rating reeks like a bad sewer.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
A friend of mine reminded me a while back, on a strategy his friend uses when posting at auction. He ends his auctions a little later on a Friday or Saturday evening, hoping to get the inebriated crowd, in on the bidding, as their inhibitions tend to wane, and the purse strings loosen up! Gotta love this sales pitch and the world in which we live. We had this discussion a long while ago, and when he reminded me, although I really didn’t forget it, he was thinking that more than just his friend thinks along those lines. It’s hard to bid against or compete against those odds when you think about it.
Anthony
Bert H. said
Somebody (the winning bidder) did exactly what you did… they did not read the entire auction description! That rifle has been 100% refinished (wood & steel) and is not worth more than 25% of the winning bid amount. In my experience, there is an absolute plethora of truly ignorant Gunbroker buyers!Bert
Yep! Too funny, and you’re right! to be fair, if I were bidding on it I’d have read the ad at least twice as my money doesn’t come easy, nor is there any to waste on silly mistakes.
i just wanted to make sure. I see some things bring crazy money like this, and I just can’t understand it. I wasn’t aware people could just stiff a seller with no consequences. I usually don’t bid on things because I know myself too well and can’t get into a bidding war, I’ll put in a “I’d buy it at this price bid” and forget about it. I have actually won a couple this way.
ive had luck with buy it now prices and contact the seller to “reduce” fees. Got a LR 1890 coming in today that I got for about $200 cheaper outside of GB, allegedly…
azscooby said
Bert H. said
Somebody (the winning bidder) did exactly what you did… they did not read the entire auction description! That rifle has been 100% refinished (wood & steel) and is not worth more than 25% of the winning bid amount. In my experience, there is an absolute plethora of truly ignorant Gunbroker buyers!
Bert
Yep! Too funny, and you’re right! to be fair, if I were bidding on it I’d have read the ad at least twice as my money doesn’t come easy, nor is there any to waste on silly mistakes.
i just wanted to make sure. I see some things bring crazy money like this, and I just can’t understand it. I wasn’t aware people could just stiff a seller with no consequences. I usually don’t bid on things because I know myself too well and can’t get into a bidding war, I’ll put in a “I’d buy it at this price bid” and forget about it. I have actually won a couple this way.
ive had luck with buy it now prices and contact the seller to “reduce” fees. Got a LR 1890 coming in today that I got for about $200 cheaper outside of GB, allegedly…
The BIN feature is, not often but occasionally, set a little low, which seems to bring out the venality in some bottom-feeding dealers, who will spend the entire length of the auction except the last 30 minutes nickel and diming one another, trying to save fifty bucks.
For reasons that are lost to time, I wanted a nice Remington 600 magnum .350, which is still popular in Alaska and long discontinued. A Seattle dealer put a 98% one up on GB with a BIN of $950, which was a very reasonable price. I came across it about an hour before closing and there must have been thirty bids, topped out at $851 or something, almost all the bidders being FFLs.
I looked at the pictures, checked out the seller, scratched my chin and said approximately, “We’ll, heck” and knocked it down. Now you see it, now you don’t.
The Seller was a reputable bricks and mortar store, it turned out, and on my promise not to sue him, threw in two large freezer bags full of the prior owner’s once-fired reloads, the second bag being 250 grain RN Hornady Interlocks. I pulled a couple of the bullets and weighed what looked like IMR 4350 in a very prudent quantity. Safe and accurate but headache inducing.
Sometimes, if you know the Model and the market, it really pays off, to offset the auctions you wish in retrospect you’d never seen.
[With apologies for mentioning Big Green. This one is part of my Oddballs & Monstrosities collection, at one time displayed next to a 1966 Winchester Model 70 .243.]
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
No apologies needed for the mention of ‘Big Green’. I have a couple of model 600’s and several more model 788’s. Love them all for the compact designs and surprising accuracy.
One of the model 600’s in 222 REM now has a custom heavy Douglas barrel and thumbhole stock. Accuracy is superb, and a terrific spring varmint gun!
Paul
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Anyone who says the old .30 Winchester Centerfire cartridge is “inherently inaccurate” has never seen the eye-popping groups of which it was capable in the relatively inexpensive Remington 588. To add insult to injury, you can mention the 588 was a rear-locking bolt action design.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Zebulon, I think you are referring to the Remington 788 bolt rifle with the rear locking lugs. If there was a 588, I’m not aware.
But you are correct about the surprising accuracy. One of the common ‘raps’ against these rifles was that they were not supposed to be accurate due to the flexing of the bolt under pressure with the rear locking mechanism. While that is logical, the rear locking allowed a very short and direct trigger linkage. So whatever was lost in bolt flexing was more than compensated by the very clean and fast triggers. I never owned one in anything more powerful than 308, but did consider the 35 Remington at one time.
A lot of bang for the buck. Plus the plain stock made for a great truck gun. No fear of dinging a fancy stock.
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Paul, you’re right, of course. 788, not 588. I had a hunting lease partner with one in 22-250 that was impressive. He kept it in the trunk of his car along with his other tools, although I noticed he was careful to protect the muzzle crown.
If I remember the action correctly, it had multiple locking lugs and a 60 degree bolt lift. The receiver could be milled from round stock in a single pass with a tool indexed in the bolt raceway, mounted with multiple cutters. That had to have been Mike Walker’s doing.
I always wondered if the company killed the 788 because it was [urinating] in the Model 700’s soup.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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