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Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,
RIA, claims 99%, as from pics posted, I wouldn’t argue. Even at a few percentage points below the 99%, with a few handling marks as they posted in their condition category, it’s a fine specimen.Original hang tag, and sling.
That’s a pretty hefty amount, ($9,400.00), but I’m not sure, who ever found it, would need to look for another one like it, as one that high of condition, in the box, is pretty special, and extremely hard to find. IMO!
I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
November 7, 2015
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Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
November 7, 2015
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Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Anthony said
Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
Roll die wear end of production?
Rick C
Rick C said
Anthony said
Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,
I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
Roll die wear end of production?
Yep, chipped die
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Zebulon said
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
Bill, you leaning towards not original? If I saw that at a gun show, I would be all over it.
Rick C
November 7, 2015
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Zebulon said
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
I tend to agree, never ignore a tiny red flag. This gun looks honest but the fakers are very talented. A closer examination of the hang tags and box would allow our sharp-eyed experts to weigh in on your theory. Seems some of the fakers use the wrong tags or reproductions. The faded serial number on the end label is very convincing.
Mike
Mike I couldn’t imagine a nicer example on the planet so i’m very interested to read what the experts think of it.
Rick C
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I never trust pristine cardboard boxes, not after my many discussions with (I think) TwoBit about the model 61 fakery and fake box market for those….having said that, this one at least has some (expected) wear…some of them out there look brand spanking new and that’s BS.
Zebulon said
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
Years ago. I acquired a fairly large Winchester collection of .22 caliber rifles. Some were in many nice picture boxes, with all the reds, and blues, and I noticed, the cardboard was starting to degrade slightly from father time. As nice as they were, and all the guns were in very good, yet honest condition, with wear on them, mainly from handling marks. I decided to part with the many of them, as I wasn’t hurting for doubles of these models, from several other acquisitions.
My point being, as Bill brings up a very good point, and I’m stuck in the middle, as the rifle, is in nice condition, and to me the box shows some degradation, with the cardboard showing some tatter, and the label being what it is, I still like it. Just not for that number! IMO!
Anthony
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