December 9, 2002
OfflineInteresting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,
RIA, claims 99%, as from pics posted, I wouldn’t argue. Even at a few percentage points below the 99%, with a few handling marks as they posted in their condition category, it’s a fine specimen.Original hang tag, and sling.
That’s a pretty hefty amount, ($9,400.00), but I’m not sure, who ever found it, would need to look for another one like it, as one that high of condition, in the box, is pretty special, and extremely hard to find. IMO!
I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
November 7, 2015
OfflineHard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
November 7, 2015
OfflineHard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
March 14, 2022
OfflineAnthony said
Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
Roll die wear end of production?
Rick C
August 27, 2014
OfflineRick C said
Anthony said
Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,
I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
Roll die wear end of production?
Yep, chipped die
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
January 20, 2023
OfflineTXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 14, 2022
OfflineZebulon said
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
Bill, you leaning towards not original? If I saw that at a gun show, I would be all over it.
Rick C
November 7, 2015
OfflineZebulon said
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
I tend to agree, never ignore a tiny red flag. This gun looks honest but the fakers are very talented. A closer examination of the hang tags and box would allow our sharp-eyed experts to weigh in on your theory. Seems some of the fakers use the wrong tags or reproductions. The faded serial number on the end label is very convincing.
Mike
December 9, 2002
OfflineZebulon said
TXGunNut said
Hard to imagine a nicer example.
Mike
Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. It is extremely difficult to preserve ordinary cardboard box material in that condition for 69 years because it contains the chemical compounds that virtually assure discoloration and delamination from exposure to either too little or too much atmospheric water. I don’t say “impossible” but I think to do it requires a lot of effort over a lot of years. Also, I would have expected the reds in the printed letters to be a little faded and I don’t see that. In my experience, the red dyes of that era fade even in darkness. Of course, digital photography enables color saturation to be enhanced, so perhaps the true colors are more realistic.
Pristine cardboard always makes me nervous, especially when it is well past its diamond anniversary.
Why cardboard matters: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
Years ago. I acquired a fairly large Winchester collection of .22 caliber rifles. Some were in many nice picture boxes, with all the reds, and blues, and I noticed, the cardboard was starting to degrade slightly from father time. As nice as they were, and all the guns were in very good, yet honest condition, with wear on them, mainly from handling marks. I decided to part with the many of them, as I wasn’t hurting for doubles of these models, from several other acquisitions.
My point being, as Bill brings up a very good point, and I’m stuck in the middle, as the rifle, is in nice condition, and to me the box shows some degradation, with the cardboard showing some tatter, and the label being what it is, I still like it. Just not for that number! IMO!
Anthony
March 14, 2022
OfflineAnthony said
Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,
RIA, claims 99%, as from pics posted, I wouldn’t argue. Even at a few percentage points below the 99%, with a few handling marks as they posted in their condition category, it’s a fine specimen.Original hang tag, and sling.
That’s a pretty hefty amount, ($9,400.00), but I’m not sure, who ever found it, would need to look for another one like it, as one that high of condition, in the box, is pretty special, and extremely hard to find. IMO!
I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
I guess we can add this hang tag to the reproduction list.
Rick C
December 9, 2002
OfflineRick C said
Anthony said
Interesting, High condition, in the box, model 52 C Sporting Rifle, mfg. in 1956,RIA, claims 99%, as from pics posted, I wouldn’t argue. Even at a few percentage points below the 99%, with a few handling marks as they posted in their condition category, it’s a fine specimen.Original hang tag, and sling.
That’s a pretty hefty amount, ($9,400.00), but I’m not sure, who ever found it, would need to look for another one like it, as one that high of condition, in the box, is pretty special, and extremely hard to find. IMO!
I find it interesting the “Roll Die” of, “Winchester Proof Steel”, and the letters, “R”, at the end of Winchester, and “S” and the second, “E”, in “Steel”, all seem to be shortened.
Anthony
I guess we can add this hang tag to the reproduction list.
Interesting Rick!
Tony
January 20, 2023
OfflineIf what we saw is real, 96828C once again shows us the value of rarity of condition. The C version of the Model 52 Sporting is not the best made of the model but very few were made at all. Houze pegs total production from 1954 through 1960 at only 1342 guns. In the last couple of years, it was almost down to onesies and twosies.
Most probably survive because they were so expensive and I doubt many have become outright junkers. So, as a baseline, i will volunteer my own Model 52C Sporting, 99076C, an end-of-the-line specimen made in 1960, the finish condition of which was very good but marred by several owner modifications and missing original parts, to wit: a thin solid brown Pachmayr recoil pad was substituted for the checkered plastic buttplate; the blue steel grip cap and washer were missing and a flared plastic cap substituted; all original sights and sight hood had been removed; an aftermarket hood was in place, a Lyman gold bead front sight was installed, and the base of a Redfield 70 receiver sight coded for a Model 70 had been filed to not quite fit. In better news, the Super Grade swivels were still attached and a Weaver J3 was installed in a Redfield Jr. Base and rings.
I bought it — the invoice is not in front of me — in either 2002 or 2012, for about a thousand bucks and tax. To that, add $100 for a 3278 sight hood, $50 for a grip cap and washer, $500 for a Lyman 48F, $175 for a Redfield Full Gold Bead, and $80 to the gunsmith who removed the scope base mounting screw shaft I twisted off by being impatient.


All up, say $2100 USD plus a handful of 5 and 10 round used magazines at $35 each. Ballpark all of it at $2300.
96828C —- $9400 plus commission
99076C —– $2300
The value (or cost) of relative condition, a cool seven grand.
Mine has only two, significant for me, advantages. I could afford to buy it and I can and do shoot it. Frequently. The other one can never be used.
While mine is an extreme example, good but not untouchable specimens of the brand are a sweet spot for “shooting collectors.”
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
June 1, 2023
OfflineZeb,
It’s most probable that your 52-C left the factory without sights, as the majority of the 52-C Sporting rifles were of the sightless variety — which makes perfect sense, since the rifle was already drilled and tapped for scope mounting. The buyers probably thought “Why should I pay extra for iron sights that I will never use?” Thus, most were sightless.
As to rarity, the 52-C Sporting rifle is by no means the rarest of the 52 Sporters. The order of rarity (from rarest to least rare) is:
52-A Sporter (both marked and unmarked A);
52 Pre-A Sporter;
52-C Sporter;
52-B Sporter.
So far from being the rarest 52 Sporter, the 52-C is actually the second most common.
This makes perfect sense. The 52-A was made for only about one year, in late 1935 and 1936. The Pre-A Sporting rifles were made for about two years ca. 1934-1935. Both the A and Pre-A rifles were also sold during the depths of the Great Depression, when money was scarce, and they were very expensive rifles, on par with the Model 70 Super Grade as far as price goes. The 52-B Sporter was made ca. 1937-1954, the greatest number of years in production, and the post war economic boom allowed many more people to be able to afford a 52 Sporting rifle. The 52-C Sporting rifle was made for about seven years, ca. 1954-1960. Winchester continued to crank out 52-B Sporting rifles well into 52-C target rifle production, as they were using up the supply of 52-B Sporting rifle parts.
I think the stratospheric prices paid for the 52-C Sporting rifles has more to do with the excellent Micro-motion trigger and the ease of mounting a scope on them, more than any other factor.
BRP
January 20, 2023
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Parson, I take your point but do you really think whoever paid $9400 for that 1956 rifle is going to take advantage of its Micro Motion trigger?
The total number of 52C Sporting Rifles sold, according to Houze, was 1314 (not 1342 – I misquoted from memory.) Of those, 742 were of the 5272 “sightless” style, which is a majority. Only 572 of the 5252 “sighted” style were sold.
However, the 5272 style still came with a #3279/H sight hood and a very short Lyman blank piece in the ramp dovetail. An unmessed-with specimen with scope would have those accouterments, although I have never seen either installed on a B or C– they are surely made of unobtainium.
There is no way to know how #99076C was configured in New Haven or how many owners had their hands on it. I’m inclined to believe there were at least two and one of them was fond of the Weatherby look — discarding the factory grip cap and key and substituting a flared plastic cap. The marks of the original key tines were still in the face of the grip cap and the tines of my replacement key dropped neatly into the dents. (The factory blue steel cap, screw, and key for the 52C were also the parts used in New Haven to build Model 21 shotguns.)
My guess is the same owner got rid of the original hard plastic buttplate and had the Pachmayr pad installed. While I would have grieved the loss of a Winchester checkered steel plate with “window’s peak”, the downmarket plastic number (see Models 88 and 100) is no loss, particularly in use.
Somebody else made a cheap attempt to put metallic sights on the gun, with an aftermarket hood, a .375 Lyman bead, and a Redfield 70 micrometer sight. Since that model sight did not feature a quick-off removable staff and the staff would have interfered with the Redfield Junior scope base when installed, I’d guess whoever scoped the gun came into possession of it afterward. Who knows? By the time the gun was consigned, the staff was long gone and the base joined it as soon as I bought the gun.
As you say, 99076C likely started life as a G5272R and from the evidence led a strange and convoluted life. I just wish they’d left the 3279 factory hood in place. Not only are none of those available for sale, none were available for Seewin and JWA to measure for their hood chart masterwork!
I may be one of a few who shoot the C Sporting with metallic sights because the stock is really designed for scope use. For a while, I shot it with my Leupold Compact 2-7X in 1″ rings and the already installed Redfield Jr base. The comb height and cheek piece thickness are perfect for that use.
After I removed the scope base and installed the Lyman 48F and Redfield FGB, I’ve found it necessary to cheek the stock very firmly to get a sight picture.
All this would seem to be good evidence the 52 planning committee assumed these guns would be scoped. Given the retail price for them, the target market was not widows and orphans and Bill Weaver had by then punched a big hole in the tight little optics oligopoly.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
June 1, 2023
OfflineZebulon said
Parson, I take your point but do you really think whoever paid $9400 for that 1956 rifle is going to take advantage of its Micro Motion trigger?
Zeb,
No, I don’t think that rifle will get much use, and given its condition as nearly New In the Box, I doubt it will get any use whatsoever. Collectors of NIB Winchesters are, as a rule, more interested in attaining a rifle than ever putting it to use. To use it is to decrease its value. The point I was trying to make is that the higher prices paid for Winchester 52-C Sporting rifles was not due to their rarity, but rather due to the more ineffable quality of the thing called “demand.” That increased demand is probably due to the greater utility that is inherent in the 52-C.
BRP
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