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July 19, 2013
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in my new adventure in the model 1890, i look more at rack and show 22’s. Yesterday i found a model 90 barrel ( wrf ) on a rifle made in 1908. Having searched books i have, i cannot get ant definitive information on when “mod 90 ” appeared on the barrels, if there was such a thing as a model 90, and why Winchester would add that model then go back to model 1890.
i did read about replacement barrels in stainless offered by Winchester, but nothing about ” model 90 ” itself.
Can any of you ” duces ” fans help out
p.s.. i did notice barrel looked newer than the rest of the gun, and the serial number was on both the tang and front of the receiver.
Bill
May 24, 2012
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Bill,
Schwing notes that the Model 90 designation change was authorized by Winchester March 12, 1919. He also stated that in order to continue using the same die stamp as they did for barrel marking 90-5 which showed 1890, they removed the 18 which left a noticeable void in the roll die, and that his barrel marking also includes, for the first time, the caliber stamping as part of the barrel inscription. Lastly he mentions that this change first took place in the 640,000 serial number range, however, I have one in .22 short in the 638,000 range.
James
June 5, 2015
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Bill,
Winchester switched from the 4 digit names, like 1890, to 2 digit, like model 90, on all models March of 1918. They didn’t switch back. So that example you saw had a replacement barrel. If it had a proof mark of a P in a circle it was a barrel provided by the factory for outside fittment . If it had the traditional PW proof mark it may have been replaced at the factory or swapped from another rifle by who knows who. It is easy to swap a barrel as long as you keep with the same clambering since the 1890/ 90’s carriage is not designed for multiple type cartridges. That came with the model 1906.
Vince
Southern Oregon
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July 19, 2013
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Thanks for that information.
Does the application of the barrel and receiver ” WP ” oval apply to 1890 & 90’s around 1905 too ?
June 5, 2015
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Blueliner said
Does the application of the barrel and receiver ” WP ” oval apply to 1890 & 90’s around 1905 too ?
Here a copy of a Winchester document pertaining to the proof marks, with thanks to JWA.
Vince
Southern Oregon
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Fraternal Order of Eagles
“There is but one answer to be made to the dynamite bomb and that can best be made by the Winchester rifle.”
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July 17, 2012
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Blueliner said
Does the application of the barrel and receiver ” WP ” oval apply to 1890 & 90’s around 1905 too ?
Bill,
No, the application of the Definitive Proof “WP” was not implemented on the .22 rim fires until 1908.
Here is a good discussion we had on the topic awhile back – https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/the-winchester-wp-and-oval-p-markings/
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
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