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February 14, 2025 - 8:13 pm
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Would like to get any info on the Model 67A Youth{ Boys} model rifle. Just picked one up and know very little about them.

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Neat little rifle! As you may have read Ad Topperwein encouraged Winchester to build a Junior version of the 67 to help teach youngsters to shoot. Appropriately, mine is in Houston waiting for my brother’s grandkids to show an interest in shooting. 

 

Do you have any specific questions? I have a 67A close to hand but won’t be able to look at it until tomorrow. It’s on my table at Scott Tarbell’s show in Durant, OK.

 

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The best dope I’ve seen on the 67A boys’ rifle is in Herb Houze’s book, To the Dreams of Youth. Of course it’s out of print so probably expensive. 

I found a good one at Larry’s years ago and saved it for grandchildren, for 3 of whom it’s now doing duty in the PNW.  

I didn’t know Top was involved in the decision to offer it but that doesn’t surprise me. I know Winchester valued his opinion and he was a member of one or more committees that made recommendations, well after he stopped his exhibition shooting tours. 

If I can locate my WRA catalogs I’ll post a 67A catalog page. (Sadly, my hobby library is still in Banker’s Boxes, waiting for me to build more bookcases.)

Mike knows the history of the Winchester single’shot bolt action rimfires and can tell you about its predecessor and why it was succeeded. The full size 67A is what I hoped for at age 13 but Dad was a Sears believer (and account holder) so I got its house brand version of the $12 Marlin, instead. The Winchester was several hours more of his mechanic’s labor and I was happy to get the J. C. Higgins. 

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The best dope I’ve seen on the 67A boys’ rifle is in Herb Houze’s book, To the Dreams of Youth. Of course it’s out of print so probably expensive. 

I found a good one at Larry’s years ago and saved it for grandchildren, for 3 of whom it’s now doing duty in the PNW.  

I didn’t know Top was involved in the decision to offer it but that doesn’t surprise me. I know Winchester valued his opinion and he was a member of one or more committees that made recommendations, well after he stopped his exhibition shooting tours. 

If I can locate my WRA catalogs I’ll post a 67A catalog page. (Sadly, my hobby library is still in Banker’s Boxes, waiting for me to build more bookcases.)

Mike knows the history of the Winchester single’shot bolt action rimfires and can tell you about its predecessor and why it was succeeded. The full size 67A is what I hoped for at age 13 but Dad was a Sears believer (and account holder) so I got its house brand version of the $12 Marlin, instead. The Winchester was several hours more of his mechanic’s labor and I was happy to get the J. C. Higgins. 

  

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I sold a nice enough 67A today but I’m nobody’s expert on Winchester’s single shot 22’s. The 67A was an enjoyable research tool and it helped me understand and appreciate the Winchester 22’s. It also helped me follow JWA’s excellent Model 69 book. Quite honestly I came across the Ad Topperwein tidbit while researching T. C. Johnson and the Model 1903 for an article awhile back. I can’t begin to tell you how many enjoyable sidetracks I went down while researching that article! Somehow mention of this contribution in Shennum and Hartman’s Red Book escaped me but it is indeed mentioned there as well. 

 

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I gave my Grandson one when he was about 15 years old. He is 56 now, and still has it. He takes it shooting once in a while with me. I bought another a couple years ago to fill a hole in my 22 collection. Paid more than the $50 I paid for his. Hangs on the wall with one other M67 and 2 M68’s.  Big Larry

 

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Just mainly interested in determining if there is a way to find out when it was made.

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Just mainly interested in determining if there is a way to find out when it was made.

  

https://winchestercollector.org/dates/

Yep, right here on our web site!

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That model was not sterilized so you would need JWA and lots of pictures ( or his excellent book) to narrow it down.

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Jeremy P said

fdmcmu said

Just mainly interested in determining if there is a way to find out when it was made.

  

https://winchestercollector.org/dates/

Yep, right here on our web site!

  

No DOM information is available for the Model 67/67A (due to them not being serialized).  Jeff (JWA) can likely narrow down a relatively close date range based on the physical features of the rifle, but good pictures are a must.

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I forgot they weren’t serialized, thanks. I saw it listed in the models and just pasted the link without checking. Whoops! 

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Sorry I am late to the party, been tied-up all week and away from internet access.

Yes, if you can supply some good pictures of the following:

– Overall rifle, right side

– Rear view of receiver with the bolt removed

– Butt plate logo

– Barrel roll-marking (stamped markings)

They can help narrow down the date of production to a few year range.

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Thanks, Jeff. I knew you would jump in and help. 

(I’m not going to ask how the Model 75 book is coming but I want you to know I’ve reserved a place of honor for it on a library bookcase. At eye level.)

No pressure, of course,

Bill

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Thanks Bill,

I am completing the last of the pictures this week and then I will start making the corrections and updates suggested by the Editor.

The Publisher would like it by mid-March with a printing window in late May and I think I am on-track to hit those deadlines.

“Real” work has been getting in the way, I can’t wait to retire so I can focus on all the fun stuff.

Thanks for your patience!

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I’ll take two please. I have a bigger bookshelf. LOL

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Thanks Bill,

I am completing the last of the pictures this week and then I will start making the corrections and updates suggested by the Editor.

The Publisher would like it by mid-March with a printing window in late May and I think I am on-track to hit those deadlines.

“Real” work has been getting in the way, I can’t wait to retire so I can focus on all the fun stuff.

Thanks for your patience!

Best Regards,

  

Not to worry. If that works out, I’ll be able to place an order on my birthday.  After that, we will give you a couple months off to recover. Then the floggings will resume for the long-awaited two volume set on the Model 52 to which you and Seewin have been jointly committed by your readers. 

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Bill,

Hate to burst your bubble but the next 2 books in the queue are on the 56/57 and the 72/72A.  The 52 book (if any) has to take a back seat to models that do not yet have a published book.  If Houze had not already published his book on the 52 I would have done it first.

Retirement should help with all of that but I would have to camp out in Seewin’s back yard for a year or two since he is the 52 Guru, not me.

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Jeff,

As you know you wouldn’t go wrong with Steve’s input, and knowledge!

 

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I’ll second that. 2 of the 3 smartest people I know.  Big Larry

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Bill,

Hate to burst your bubble but the next 2 books in the queue are on the 56/57 and the 72/72A.  The 52 book (if any) has to take a back seat to models that do not yet have a published book.  If Houze had not already published his book on the 52 I would have done it first.

Retirement should help with all of that but I would have to camp out in Seewin’s back yard for a year or two since he is the 52 Guru, not me.

Best Regards,

  

You underestimate yourself. While I had an occasional correspondence with Herb, I did not know him well. Nonetheless, he went out of his way to help me untangle some mysteries about my 52C Sporting.

Unfortunately, his attempts revealed substantial gaps in his knowledge of that version of the model,  which only Steve was finally able to straighten out for me. Herb’s 52 book, which I have and cherish, along with most of his other works, just cannot be taken as the last word on that rifle. 

What you bring to the table, in addition to your unquestionable depth of knowledge of the Winchester rimfires, is your capacity to organize, refine, and communicate that massive amount of knowledge into a readable and reliable work of reference.

The 52 is the Rolls Royce of the line, the summation of all of Winchester’s collective rimfire expertise. The 52 Sporting is almost mythical, among Winchester enthusiasts.

Together, you and Steve could publish the last and final word on the Winchester everybody wanted but few ever got. 

I’ve not got a lot of years left before I go in for my last driving layup.  Please say I can hope to at least have my ashes interred with a first edition set of that A & E book. 

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Thanks for the kind words.

I will talk to Steve and see if he is still interested, it is a massive project though.  If I can get some other stuff off my desk later this year I may be able to free up a little bandwidth.

You are just going to have to hang on health-wise though since it will be awhile.  Eat your Wheaties.

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