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Model 1890 Foreign proofs
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Tony. R
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Tony. R said

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Hi Tony,

Your rifle would have originally had the the ’06 patent date at the end of the line, like so;

MANUFACTURED BY THE WINCHESTER REPEATING ARMS CO.

NEW HAVEN. CONN. U.S.A. PAT.JUNE 26.88.DEC.6.92.NOV.27.06

Ned Schwing calls that a type “90-4”.  Your replacement barrel is a type 90-5 which was used approximately from serial numbers 430,000-690,000 so it is later than your rifle.

Yes, it was Australia that required proofs however after some back and forth correspondence, they accepted the Winchester Definitive Proof “WP” in an oval with no additional proof testing required if it had the WP so the English proof is superfluous. 

Also, the “mail order” “P” in a circle marking was not instituted until 1913 so your barrel was replaced after that date.

Best Regards,

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Thanks great thanks very much. Tony

  

I have dissasembled the forend, and taken pictures of the barrel and frame marks, hope this helps to place the barrel swap location, factory or outside.90-BARREL-MARKS.jpgImage Enlarger

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Interesting!!… it still has the “OF” marking which was what Winchester used to mark their mail order barrels prior to the “P” proof mark.

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Tony. R said

I have dissasembled the forend, and taken pictures of the barrel and frame marks, hope this helps to place the barrel swap location, factory or outside.

Still fits scenario JWA described of a mail-order brl being used for a factory re-barreling job; except in this case, the replacement brl was old enough to have the OF mark.  Evidently, after the new (confusing) marking was designed, some zealous worker thought the old brl should have the new marking stamped on it just to make double-sure it was properly identified. 

The many alterations & travels of this little gun make it far more interesting, I think, than it would be had it retained its original brl.

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There is a chance that long rifle ammo can be single fed by hand.  No harm in trying.

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Chuck said
There is a chance that long rifle ammo can be single fed by hand.  No harm in trying.

  

That would work for sure, but no fun in a M90!  Bit of file work on lifter will do the trick.

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Although its just outside the SN range, would it be worth contacting Cody to see if an R and R is recorded in the records somewhere.

tks Tony

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