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March 14, 2022
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Finally able to get some photos to share with the rim fire enthusiast. No deluxe here, just poor man’s standard. Been a 4yr project to acquire all with nice finish remaining or overall condition.
1903 model 1890 – Long
1909 model 1906 – S/L/LR
1940 model 62A – S/L/LR
1937 model 61 – S/L/LR
1961 model 61 – WMR
1937 model 69
1948 model 69A
1958 model 69A grooved receiver
1949 model 72A
1949 model 47 Target
Rick C
January 20, 2023
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Poor man’s my ASSets! And just in time for Christmas!
I remember full well drooling over WRA display ads that looked a lot like those, when I was ten years old. In 1954.
The funny thing about it, Rick, is I have the same reaction seventy-one years later. I rather suspect you do, too.
And those twenty-two rifles look like they just came out of the box. Ain’t nuthin better on a Christmas morning than any one of those.
That had to take you awhile.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 14, 2022
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Thank you Bill and yes I get the same feeling. What I also like about collecting rim fire besides the nostalgic memories of growing up, they’re generally a lot less money than the big brother lever centre fires. I have primarily focused on high condition rim fires the past few years and had some help along the way from JWA and others.
Hope I don’t get in trouble for the photo below. Without mentioning the brand, you might also be familiar with some of these Bill.
1945 Field master model 121 Routledge smoothbore
1954 Field master model 121
1925 Model 12–C “NRA” target
1922 Model 12–C target
1935 Model 34 “NRA” target(bolt)
Rick C
April 15, 2005
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Rick,
20 lashes with a wet noodle…
Bert
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March 14, 2022
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I’ll take it Bert. Better than horse whipped at the hitching post on that 76. I’m still laughing about that one. 😂
Rick C
April 15, 2005
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Rick C said
I’ll take it Bert. Better than horse whipped at the hitching post on that 76. I’m still laughing about that one. 😂
My wife thinks that I am too mean spirited, and much too inclined to invoke corporal punishment for what she considers “minor transgressions”. Most of my grandkids call me “MOM” (that is short for Mean Old Man) because I make them toe the line when they come to visit.
Bert
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Fine line between fear and respect!
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April 15, 2005
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Anthony said
Fine line between fear and respect!
Anthony
Yes, and it works quite well for all of my grandchildren with the exception of my oldest granddaughter (Kaitlyn)… she can get away with murder with me.
Bert
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You are putty in her hands. 
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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Zebulon said
You are putty in her hands.
Yes, and she is a Texas girl! The picture I posted was my trip to Lake Jackson last year in December.
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Bert H. said
Anthony said
Fine line between fear and respect!
Anthony
Yes, and it works quite well for all of my grandchildren with the exception of my oldest granddaughter (Kaitlyn)… she can get away with murder with me.
Bert
Zebulon said
You are putty in her hands.
We can understand that! So enjoyable as many of us, can appreciate that!
Tony
March 14, 2022
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Bert H. said
Anthony said
Fine line between fear and respect!
Anthony
Yes, and it works quite well for all of my grandchildren with the exception of my oldest granddaughter (Kaitlyn)… she can get away with murder with me.
Bert
I can totally relate Bert. Four grandsons and I’m always informed the oldest is the golden child lol.
Rick C
January 20, 2023
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Bert H. said
Rick,
20 lashes with a wet noodle…
Bert
Well, here’s the connection to Winchester: the whipping Remington delivered over the Decade beginning in 1905, wth various Browning and Pedersen designed arms not least of which were the Model 12 hammerless pump rimfires Rick illustrates.
In 1902 Winchester lost the benefit of the Browning Brothers from Bennett’s shortsightedness and first deliveries of the Auto-Five to America commenced in 1903. The Remington 11 licensed version began selling here in 1905. The start of a deluge.
Remington had not only gained the benefit of John M. Browning but also John D. Pedersen, whom JMB himself greatly respected. Although the seminal small gauge, bottom-ejecting Remington Model 17 was Browning’s original patent, Pedersen’s pre-production improvements contributed significantly to making it timeless, e.g. the Ithaca 37 and Browning BPS, albeit not itself a big seller. (When it was suggested to JMB that he (Browning) should be considered the greatest firearms designer of the Twentieth Century, he demurred and said it would be Pedersen. JMB was wrong, but his unquestionable admiration for Pedersen speaks volumes for the latter.)
While the Winchester Model 1903 rimfire automatic sold pretty well (about 126,000), the 1905/07/10 centerfire self loaders were no competition for the Remington Model 8/81 that appeared here in 1906. A Browning design.
The 1909 Remington model 12 was Pedersen’s design and enormously successful, selling over 800,000 before the 121 replaced it. His Remington Model 14 and later 41 centerfire pumps also sold well.
The only exception to Remington’s dominance in pump action arms was in shotguns. Thomas Johnson’s Winchester Model 12 swept the field from 1912 until 1963. After that, the Remington 870 dominated.
It’s been argued Winchester was slow to see the demand for a hammerless pump but I’m not sure that’s true. Pedersen’s patent for the Remington 12 was issued in 1909 and FN’s American patent for the Browning Trombone was applied for in 1919 and issued in 1922. Like the difficulty Winchester had with getting around Browning’s patents for automatic shotguns, Winchester ‘s Crockett and his boss, Thomas Johnson, had similar trouble creating the Model 61 — a moot issue anyway because Winchester was running out of money by then and on a bumpy downhill slide into receivership.
The Model 61, Crockett ‘s design as improved before production by the aged but brilliant Frank Burton (see Model 21) is my favorite Winchester rimfire. Its feeding design is so excellent and reliable it was adapted into the Model 9422. But through no fault of its designers, it took Olin money in 1932 to get it into production, so late in the game only 340,000 or thereabouts were made before inflationary production costs killed it.
Just as it’s impossible to contemplate the Winchester Model 1911 without the Browning Automatic Five flashing across our minds, I can’t pick up my Winchester Model 61 without seeing its nemesis, the Remington Model 12. A classic instance of a good plan executed now beating a brilliant plan executed late.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
February 17, 2022
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Bert. I knew you were a softy when I met you in Cody!!!!
December 21, 2006
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Well done Rick, I hope to see them at a show
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Henry Mero said
Well done Rick, I hope to see them at a show
Thanks Henry and yes maybe soon. I don’t think I would get the attention of some of your rim fire beauties but appreciate the acknowledgment.
Rick C
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oldcrankyyankee said
Bert. I knew you were a softy when I met you in Cody!!!!
Hey !!! No need to insult me !
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Zebulon said
Bert H. said
Rick,
20 lashes with a wet noodle…
Bert
Well, here’s the connection to Winchester: the whipping Remington delivered over the Decade beginning in 1905, wth various Browning and Pedersen designed arms not least of which were the Model 12 hammerless pump rimfires Rick illustrates.
In 1902 Winchester lost the benefit of the Browning Brothers from Bennett’s shortsightedness and first deliveries of the Auto-Five to America commenced in 1903. The Remington 11 licensed version began selling here in 1905. The start of a deluge.
Remington had not only gained the benefit of John M. Browning but also John D. Pedersen, whom JMB himself greatly respected. Although the seminal small gauge, bottom-ejecting Remington Model 17 was Browning’s original patent, Pedersen’s pre-production improvements contributed significantly to making it timeless, e.g. the Ithaca 37 and Browning BPS, albeit not itself a big seller. (When it was suggested to JMB that he (Browning) should be considered the greatest firearms designer of the Twentieth Century, he demurred and said it would be Pedersen. JMB was wrong, but his unquestionable admiration for Pedersen speaks volumes for the latter.)
While the Winchester Model 1903 rimfire automatic sold pretty well (about 126,000), the 1905/07/10 centerfire self loaders were no competition for the Remington Model 8/81 that appeared here in 1906. A Browning design.
The 1909 Remington model 12 was Pedersen’s design and enormously successful, selling over 800,000 before the 121 replaced it. His Remington Model 14 and later 41 centerfire pumps also sold well.
The only exception to Remington’s dominance in pump action arms was in shotguns. Thomas Johnson’s Winchester Model 12 swept the field from 1912 until 1963. After that, the Remington 870 dominated.
It’s been argued Winchester was slow to see the demand for a hammerless pump but I’m not sure that’s true. Pedersen’s patent for the Remington 12 was issued in 1909 and FN’s American patent for the Browning Trombone was applied for in 1919 and issued in 1922. Like the difficulty Winchester had with getting around Browning’s patents for automatic shotguns, Winchester ‘s Crockett and his boss, Thomas Johnson, had similar trouble creating the Model 61 — a moot issue anyway because Winchester was running out of money by then and on a bumpy downhill slide into receivership.
The Model 61, Crockett ‘s design as improved before production by the aged but brilliant Frank Burton (see Model 21) is my favorite Winchester rimfire. Its feeding design is so excellent and reliable it was adapted into the Model 9422. But through no fault of its designers, it took Olin money in 1932 to get it into production, so late in the game only 340,000 or thereabouts were made before inflationary production costs killed it.
Just as it’s impossible to contemplate the Winchester Model 1911 without the Browning Automatic Five flashing across our minds, I can’t pick up my Winchester Model 61 without seeing its nemesis, the Remington Model 12. A classic instance of a good plan executed now beating a brilliant plan executed late.
Very informative Bill. My Pedersen design assortment is one of my favs. The NRA versions and smoothbore were a challenge to acquire monetarily and with condition… but worth it.
Rick C
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Rick C said
Finally able to get some photos to share with the rim fire enthusiast. No deluxe here, just poor man standard models. It’s been a 4yr long project to acquire all with some nice finish remaining or overall condition.1903 model 1890 – Long
1909 model 1906 – S/L/LR
1940 model 62A – S/L/LR
1937 model 61 – S/L/LR
1961 model 61 – WMR1937 model 69
1948 model 69A
1958 model 69A grooved receiver
1949 model 72A
1949 model 47 Target
NIce bunch of 22’s
March 14, 2022
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Thanks tsillik. Prefer to take the photos outdoors, but weather hasn’t cooperated here for a couple weeks. No filter used to enhance the photos and condition, just finally had time to get them all out of the safe to take some pics.
Rick C
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