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September 21, 2016
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I picked up an 1890 22 WRF with a Lyman peep. The Lyman looks to be a 1A variation but I’m not sure if it’s a “WS” or not. It appears to be of correct fit and matches the rifles finish properly. Can anyone out there recognize if this peep is a “WS” just by looking at it? I’d rather not remove it to check for the mark, but if that’s the only sure fire way to confirm it’s correct, I’ll go that route. Thanks
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November 1, 2013
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Joel Goodrich said
It appears to be of correct fit and matches the rifles finish properly.
That would be enough for me.
September 21, 2016
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clarence said
That would be enough for me.
It’s probably going to be enough for me. Once I got it out in the daylight it’s obvious that it’s been on the gun a looong time. There is a high(er) amount of finish remaining in the areas naturally protected by the peep.
September 21, 2016
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May 2, 2009
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The WS sight is a little shorter than the 94/92 sights and that does look like the short one.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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September 21, 2016
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1873man said
The WS sight is a little shorter than the 94/92 sights and that does look like the short one.Bob
Thank you!
March 31, 2009
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Nice semi deluxe. I surely wouldn’t complain about the tang sight. With the proper screw drivers I wouldn’t hesitate to remove the sight, stock and buttplate. Pistol grips should have assembly numbers on the lower tang, wood and butt plate.
November 1, 2013
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cwachter said
With the proper screw drivers I wouldn’t hesitate to remove the sight, stock and buttplate.
Before fixing something that isn’t broke, I always hesitate.
September 21, 2016
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clarence said
cwachter said
With the proper screw drivers I wouldn’t hesitate to remove the sight, stock and buttplate.Before fixing something that isn’t broke, I always hesitate.
I have a good set of screwdrivers but with my luck I’m worried I’d end up cracking or chipping the stock. I’m fairly certain the wood is only 1X:
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The barrel has a dovetail cut for the 32A “Sporting” rear sight but the dovetail has a filler blank in it. The finish around the dovetail doesn’t show any wear from a sight ever being there so it must’ve been removed early on in this rifle’s life.
I’d like to get a 32A “Sporting” sight to put back in the dovetail but I’m guessing I’ll have a hard time finding one (especially to match the barrel finish).
November 1, 2013
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Joel Goodrich said
I have a good set of screwdrivers but with my luck I’m worried I’d end up cracking or chipping the stock. I’m fairly certain the wood is only 1X:
Oil that seeps between the tang & the wood can oxidize to something like dried glue, which, combined perhaps with wood shrinkage, can cause a sliver of wood to pull loose when the stock is removed. Don’t say that risk is great, but it happened once to me, so it’s not impossible. Therefor, on a gun as nice as this one, which obviously hasn’t been monkeyed with since it left the factory, to do it for “no reason” except curiosity strikes me as tempting fate. And fate often resents being tempted.
On the other hand, if there were a good reason, for ex., if the factory record indicated only a standard straight-grip stock, that would be justification enough for me to do it…carefully!
Wood looks like 1X to me, too, not that that’s “bad.”
September 21, 2016
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clarence said :
On the other hand, if there were a good reason, for ex., if the factory record indicated only a standard straight-grip stock, that would be justification enough for me to do it…carefully!
I agree with you completely, but the serial number is 404036, so I don’t think it will letter. Too bad someone doesn’t magically find all the lost records!
March 31, 2009
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Joel Goodrich said
I agree with you completely, but the serial number is 404036, so I don’t think it will letter. Too bad someone doesn’t magically find all the lost records!
The gun looks correct to me but I think you are being way too cautious. Since you state the gun won’t letter you should take it apart just to verify all is as it should be. These guns can be worth many times the value of a standard gun. Many times an added tang sight hides extra holes, parts can be mismatched and even tangs can be bent to fit a pistol grip. A correct semi deluxe should have assembly numbers on the tang, wood and butt plate. Standard guns don’t have the assembly numbers. All of the Winchesters that I have owned had the wood off when I first purchased them.
September 21, 2016
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cwachter said
The gun looks correct to me but I think you are being way too cautious. Since you state the gun won’t letter you should take it apart just to verify all is as it should be.
Sound advice. Thank you!
A question for you:
Would you be willing to measure and/or send me a few pictures of your rear barrel sight on your semi-deluxe (middle rifle) in the photo above? I have another thread going in the sights section requestion details on that exact sight option for the 1890.
Beautiful rifles by the way!
Heres my modest collection;
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March 31, 2009
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Joel I no longer own these guns. I sold off my 1890/90 collection except my grandfather’s gun and a first model. The sight was a Winchester 22-C flat top sporting rear sight with a set screw in the leaf. It was not the standard sight. Hope this is some help.
September 21, 2016
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cwatcher:
That is helpful. Thank you
March 31, 2009
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Joel Goodrich said
cwatcher:That is helpful. Thank you
Don’t ever worry about having a better period correct Winchester sight on a gun unless the gun letters with another specific sight. If it bothers you, you can always find a original site and I would buy the bad one.
March 31, 2009
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Joel Goodrich said
cwatcher:That is helpful. Thank you
You need to get a copy of Nick Stroebel’s Old Gunsights A Collector’s Guide, 1850 – 1965. Page 308 lists all of the sights for the 1890/90. Winchester, Lyman and Marbles. Pictures will be shown under the manufacture’s section.
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