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Thanks for the info guys. It is in the survey!
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Manuel said
Thanks guys!
Already in the process of getting the letter. Now i have seen here on the forum where some features that were left out of the records on some letters but were on the rifle and deemed to be authentic. This rifle was in Cody for the last 20+ years…..I have the return receipt from the museum as well.
One question, what does “Smokeless” mean on the letter? A friend here on the forum said it could have been sighted in for the “High Velocity” rounds….Could this be true?
Zebulon – Bill,
Oh without a doubt i will be sending some lead down the range in the backyard!
I too was curious about the “smokeless” note in the ledger – it does not appear anyone else had any comments on it. I don’t recall ever having a letterable 92 which noted “smokeless” but I have had Model 92’s which were identified in the ledger as “high velocity” – as you say, they may mean the same thing. Here is an example, close serial number range to the 25-20 of Manual’s. This is a sweet little 92 SRC as it letters with the pistol grip and rifle butt – and, has condition. Imagine that, original, correct and in super condition with a impecable bore – the gun came from Don Grove a long time ago.
Not bad ‘eh, (once I got it dialed in), for a 75 year old guy with glasses and a 112 year old gun.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
Henry Mero said
Thats pretty good! How far were you shooting from?
Burt Humphrey said
I too was curious about the “smokeless” note in the ledger – it does not appear anyone else had any comments on it. I don’t recall ever having a letterable 92 which noted “smokeless” but I have had Model 92’s which were identified in the ledger as “high velocity” – as you say, they may mean the same thing. Here is an example, close serial number range to the 25-20 of Manual’s. This is a sweet little 92 SRC as it letters with the pistol grip and rifle butt – and, has condition. Imagine that, original, correct and in super condition with an impeccable bore – the gun came from Don Grove a long time ago.
The “smokeless” entry in the ledger does indicate that the rifle was specifically made for “high velocity” ammo (with jacketed bullets). It also indicates that it has a Nickel Steel barrel versus the standard “high strength” steel barrel. I would expect to find “M.N.S.” stamped on the bottom of the barrel underneath the forend stock and magazine tube. On some models (e.g. the Model 1886), Winchester also marked “NICKEL STEEL” on the exposed area of the barrel just to the left side of the rear sight.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
50 yards
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
Henry Mero said
50 yards
That is good shooting Henry. I am really drawn to your deluxe 92 – my favorite configuration – what a rare and fantastic gun it is – thanks for showing us photos.
Good morning,
Based on my work with the Model 1892 rifles I have found 4 rifles with Nickel Steel barrel that are also denoted as Smokeless in their corresponding ledger entry. Only one of those four also is noted as Nickel Steel in the ledger. The majority of the Smokeless denoted rifles also have several special order features associated with them.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
twobit said
Good morning,Based on my work with the Model 1892 rifles I have found 4 rifles with Nickel Steel barrel that are also denoted as Smokeless in their corresponding ledger entry. Only one of those four also is noted as Nickel Steel in the ledger. The majority of the Smokeless denoted rifles also have several special order features associated with them.
Michael
So, how rare is the “high velocity” note in the ledger (on 92 rifle or carbine)?
Good morning Burt,
The first “Smokeless” entry does not appear until the SN 183000 (late 1901) and then not again until in the 217000 range (1903). From there I have seen about 45 up to the 288000 range (1905). They are definitely rare in that time period.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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