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December 27, 2024
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TXGunNut said
JWA said
Deg said
Jeff – is the Model 70 next?
No, this 4-book series is on all of the Winchester pre-1963 bolt action repeating rifles (that don’t already have a book). The next book in the series will cover the Models 56 and 57 and the 4th book will cover the Model 72.
After those are complete I have a few more Winchester related books already started but don’t know which will be next.
Lou Luttrell is working on a very detailed, updated Model 70 book, we just need to keep nudging him to finish it.
Best Regards,
Jeff-
I think I’ve mentioned this before but I think a Winchester scope book is a good idea. I personally have little interest in them but I feel pretty sure you have done most of the research to make that book a reality. I think collectors need a good reference book to guide their collecting efforts.
Mike
Mike, excellent idea – maybe slings and straps could be added in that book too.
Dan #67288
December 27, 2024
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JWA said
TXGunNut said
Jeff-
I think I’ve mentioned this before but I think a Winchester scope book is a good idea. I personally have little interest in them but I feel pretty sure you have done most of the research to make that book a reality. I think collectors need a good reference book to guide their collecting efforts.
Mike
Hmmm, I am not sure that it would be worth the effort since the early Winchester scope history is fairly well-documented and the later scopes are covered in detail in the 69 and 75 book and will also be covered in the 72 book.
I would be lucky to sell 100 scope books after spending a year+ writing and photographing. I am already worried about the 56/57 book being too obscure because of the low-production numbers and limited variations for collectability. I am contemplating a lower initial book run (less than 1000) so I am not stuck with a bunch of left-overs but will make that decision when the time comes.
Best Regards,
Well, I don’t want to sound too much like a pushy Project Manager and too simplistic – but if you already have a lot of documentation in other books, and I am not a book writer person, but wouldn’t it be a lot of copy / paste reducing a bunch of work. Then, we don’t have to go to multiple books to research specific items. 
Dan #67288
March 31, 2009
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JWA said
Hi Chuck,
No, no Lyman repros that I am aware of. Some of the Lyman sights were not marked and some of the Redfields look similar.
Yes, I know a lot about the 8X Winchester scope, I covered it in detail in both the Model 69 and Model 75 book (which you have).
Your friend is correct, Winchester sold their scope patents and tooling for the Winchester A5, B3, B4, etc. scopes to Lyman in 1928. The Winchester 2 3/4x (No. 3), 5x (No.5) and 8x (No.8) scopes were completely different and marketed by Winchester from 1937-1942 (the 8x was introduced in 1938 for the Model 75) for use on the .22 rimfires. They were not made by Winchester but by outside vendors (Carolyn and Saymon Brown).
Everything you want to know IS IN THE BOOKS 😉 I am sorry you have to read the large tomes to find out that Jesus is from Nazareth. The Table of Contents and Index helps though….
Best Regards,
Thank you. Had no idea what a 8X scope was for or if what he was telling me was correct. Didn’t think that it may have been for the 69 or 75. I’ll read the sections in the books. I am going to try and buy it if it looks OK.
July 17, 2012
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Well, yes, copy/paste from the other books would be a start but the information in each of the books is stand-alone, meaning it only contains the scope and sling info specific to that model. There are other slings and scopes that are not covered in the 4 book series that would have to be added. And, fundamentally, I dislike reprinting already published information. I would MUCH rather spend that same time on fresh research and new published information on models that have not been addressed yet. I only have so much available time to devote and I am not getting any younger.
Let me put it to you this way, would you rather have a book on scopes and slings with at least 50% of the information rehashed OR a brand new 2-volume book on the Model 52? I am not going to live long enough to write books on every .22 model so I have to lean toward where the market and demand is best, unfortunately that means prioritizing unless I can get a ghost writer to pick up the slack and no, Chat GBT doesn’t cut it with technical texts. 😉
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
November 7, 2015
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JWA said
Deg said
Jeff – is the Model 70 next?
No, this 4-book series is on all of the Winchester pre-1963 bolt action repeating rifles (that don’t already have a book). The next book in the series will cover the Models 56 and 57 and the 4th book will cover the Model 72.
After those are complete I have a few more Winchester related books already started but don’t know which will be next.
Lou Luttrell is working on a very detailed, updated Model 70 book, we just need to keep nudging him to finish it.
Best Regards,
Jeff-
I think I’ve mentioned this before but I think a Winchester scope book is a good idea. I personally have little interest in them but I feel pretty sure you have done most of the research to make that book a reality. I think collectors need a good reference book to guide their collecting efforts.
Mike
December 9, 2002
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Mike,
I think Jeff has done a pretty good job explaining the Winchester scopes in his model 75 book, as I’m sure you’re suggesting even more information, but I don’t think my feeble mind can handle what’s already there! LOL!
Jeff,
As you’re well aware, Louis is chipping away diligently at it, but guy’s like me keep bothering him! Those are my thoughts, and words not his! 
Anthony
July 17, 2012
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Chuck said
I am going to try and buy it if it looks OK.
It looks all original to me but with a little scruffy stock with some gouges and dings, the metal looks good.
Go for it if you can get it cheap or wait until the LV show and I will bring you one.
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WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
December 27, 2024
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JWA said
Well, yes, copy/paste from the other books would be a start but the information in each of the books is stand-alone, meaning it only contains the scope and sling info specific to that model. There are other slings and scopes that are not covered in the 4 book series that would have to be added. And, fundamentally, I dislike reprinting already published information. I would MUCH rather spend that same time on fresh research and new published information on models that have not been addressed yet. I only have so much available time to devote and I am not getting any younger.
Let me put it to you this way, would you rather have a book on scopes and slings with at least 50% of the information rehashed OR a brand new 2-volume book on the Model 52? I am not going to live long enough to write books on every .22 model so I have to lean toward where the market and demand is best, unfortunately that means prioritizing unless I can get a ghost writer to pick up the slack and no, Chat GBT doesn’t cut it with technical texts. 😉
Best Regards,
I’m picking up what you’re throwing down. I was “kind of” kidding. Although I would like a detailed book on scopes and slings, and I think you’d do a fabulous job. I really do understand the time dilemma; I have the same issues. And still working, I am 63 and still working full time. So, I get that too.
Dan #67288
July 17, 2012
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I understand and will add it to the future book list but there are at least 8 books in front of it. I am soooo looking forward to retirement but it will be awhile.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
December 27, 2024
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I appreciate it, but it is not your job to make us happy – you have a life too pal, not just appeasing a few of us. I mean heck, nothing to say I shouldn’t do it – I write, I am a technical and logical writer and doing that, much of it requires some kind of research. I know some of my post on here and other forums don’t always reflect that; but I don’t proof this stuff like I do if I am writing a document that may end up in court.
Dan #67288
November 7, 2015
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After reviewing the chapters on scopes in the 69 and 75 books I wonder if much more can be said about the Carolyn and Saymon-Brown scopes found on these and other period rimfires. Mounts and bases for other models may not be adequately covered in these two books if they were not used for the 69 or 75 but I suspect the information in these two books will be helpful. I don’t know enough about the early Winchester scopes (A5, B5, B4 and B3) to know if anyone else has plowed that ground and I don’t know how much research JWA has done on the early scopes. Quite honestly I’d be more interested in additional books on the overlooked rimfire models than one on telescopic sights.
I stand corrected. Carry on, Jeff!
Mike
December 27, 2024
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I also pulled the book out and looked it over, there is a lot of information. I will just have to remember it is in there.
Dan #67288
December 9, 2002
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Talk about a reference book, extraordinaire!
We’re all extremely grateful, and appreciative, to have such informative collectors who take the extensive time to research, beyond our wildest imaginations, as I’m not sure when these people sleep. I could rattle off several, we are benefiting from on this forum alone. Besides putting it in print, the sharing of knowledge on this forum, alone has helped us all out tremendously.
Many of us we’re told by the older collectors years ago, as we we’re filling our arms up and hauling out to our vehicles, the many Winchesters we could carry, only to head back in for another load, to build a Library, and read, read, and read some more. We had no internet, but would talk with other friends in the evening as everyone was working, naturally, and we didn’t have cell phones or computers. We’d wait for the gun list, and a few other publications to come out, and try to run to the phone to get to the seller first.
The information has grown with extensive research, through the many collectors, here and elsewhere. Going online and searching and reading is great, don’t get me wrong. There’s nothing like getting a new book in the mail, and opening it up, and enjoying it’s contents, like we’re able to do today. Even the books have improved, by adding color and photo’s, explaining in details, the expanded knowledge we’re all benefiting from.
Thanks Jeff, we can’t wait for you’re next book, as projects are in the works, as you’ve stated. I can only imagine the constant requests you get on future books!
Anthony
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