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December 30, 2011
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Just picked this one up.
I’m really interested in the sight set up. Barrel is a Lyman No.6. Doesn’t appear to have had any other sight. I suppose it could have had a blank. I like that the previous owner marked where that sight was supposed to stay. This gun doesn’t have a tang sight and looks like it hasn’t had one for awhile either. A Lyman tang sight originally seems probable to me. The front sight puzzles me a little. Marble had the Marble’s Reversible available in 1906, so it could have been if the sight is that old. I can’t read a number under the dried oil, but it looks a little low profile for a smokeless caliber to me. Both sights seem to have been on there a long time based on all the dried oil gunk and no punch marks. Using the white triangle on the Lyman No.6 and white bead front would be a good low-light set up by design. I’m wondering if a guy set it up that way to shoot in low light…or maybe out the window. I just don’t know if Lyman and Marble sights from the factory is likely. Anybody have any guesses?
Brad
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January 22, 1999
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Hey Brad, That’s a nice looking 1894 Winchester Rifle and the caliber is one of my favorites.
I would have to say that the sights are original to the rifle. After looking at the gunk build-up around the magazine tube,barrel and forend cap,plus along side of the forend wood,the gunk build up under the front sight and rear sight appears to be the same consistency with the rest of the gunk.
Just my thoughts and I did study the pictures and blew them up.
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April 15, 2005
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Brad,
I agree with hokie (Mark’s) assessment… the sights look original to me.
Bert
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December 30, 2011
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Thanks for the input guys. I haven’t found that combination of sights on any other guns yet. Very interesting to me.
Brad
March 20, 2009
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Very nice Brad!! It all looks original to me also. Very cool
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
December 12, 2012
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Nice rifle Brad! I like that combo. A nice Lyman tang would look nice on it as well.
March 20, 2009
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jschaal wrote:
A nice Lyman tang would look nice on it as well.
I would agree. The fact that both leaves of the rear sight fold down and out of the way of the sight picture when a peep sight is used make this rifle perfect for that application.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I think the sights are intended for snap shooting in dim light, at targets not far away, perhaps 50 yards or less.
December 30, 2011
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I don’t believe I’m going to clean away any of the gunk or accumulation by the forearm cap, even though there’s probably enough there to nest a small mammal. I can’t imagine it will hurt anything as long as it is only damp from snakeoil or the like. I like it and was happy to see it on the rifle. I don’t think this gun ever saw hard use and I’m very grateful to have come across it.
Brad
March 23, 2007
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I have a post 1900 model 1886 TD in 45-70 with the same sight set-up. It is surprisingly accurate at 100 yds but annoying as the blade wants to flip down after each shot, not hardly what a hunter would want to experience on a grizzly hunt.
December 30, 2011
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I think the sights are intended for snap shooting in dim light, at targets not far away, perhaps 50 yards or less.
That sounds logical to me waterman.
I have a post 1900 model 1886 TD in 45-70 with the same sight set-up. It is surprisingly accurate at 100 yds but annoying as the blade wants to flip down after each shot, not hardly what a hunter would want to experience on a grizzly hunt.
That sounds like a really interesting rifle dimrod. The sight flipping down on its own would be bad. I’m guessing there is no more screw adjustment left?
Brad
January 26, 2011
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Brad,
How about the sight combination on this one……..I found it to be interesting. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=399718273 Not sure if it came out of the factory like this, but it sure looks like it could be correct.
~Gary~
March 23, 2007
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Hedley,
The screws on the side of the sight must be worn. They’re as tight as I’m comfortable making them. I’d like to find a vintage Lyman tang sight to add to my rifle. I might even take it on a grizzly hunt then. But the right tang sight seems to be elusive.
December 30, 2011
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Gary
Locking mechanism on the Lyman 2A has 1905 patent, gun serial looks like 237718. Leaf sight looks odd to me, maybe modified or is it the one for the model 54? Not sure about the sights on that one being original yet. Hard for me to tell with the available pictures of that particular gun.
Brad
