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                    <title>winchester nix on Winchester 1200 RIOT NHPD trade in guns.. Collectible?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>For James Eichas</p>
<pre>You have a 1965 Winchester RIOT Gun whose serial number was stamped on December 04 1964, and it has the 1964-65 Checkering.

There is an abbreviated excerpt from my <strong>Model 1200 Data Base</strong> showing the date I acquired the data and the # Stamping date.  I still have a few slots to fill, but there were a lot of "RIOT" and "Trench Guns" made in that period. Some I have identified as "Prototypes" for the Vietnam Trench Guns.  I ma sure that in the 1965-1967 period made RIOT guns with checkered stocks and Jewelled bolts at the customer's request, and your gun fits well with BigGuy72's guns
I prefer to look at photos when commenting on a gun so will say no more now.  I have written to three NHPD police jusisdictions but no answer yet;

<strong># 169000</strong></pre>
<p># 169319 Winchester Model 1200 12 Ga 30in plain Barrel, Full Choke  - Stamped Dec-01,1964</p>
<p># 169707 Model 1200 (RIOT) TRENCH 12ga 20” mocked Vietnam style Trench gun Pl Lifter  Pl Stk Blk Butt Pl Pl Farm Jew Bolt Replica   10/29/2012 Stamped Dec-01, 1964 </p>
<p><strong># 170000+</strong></p>
<p># 17XXXX Model 1200 -12Ga VR FULL Bl Fluted 3 Dia Chk Stk with Sm Wing &#038; &#062;==== &#060; Farm</p>
<p># 170194 Riot Gun U.S. Navy endurance test 1964 18" bl, Jeff Moeller. Stamped Dec-03, 1964 06-2026</p>
<p># 170393 Winchester Model 1200 in 12 ga 30in Pl FULL Bl Stamped Dec-03 1964</p>
<p># 170447 Model 1200 12 Ga 20in “TRENCH” Bl Barrel heat shield &#038; late style perforated handguard <span style="color: #ff6600">with M5 Bayonet Lug a</span>nd sling swivel   The checkering is attractive and sharp. Winchester vented rubber buttpad, &#038;<span style="color: #ff6600"> press-checkered pump-grip.</span> NOT A TRUE Trench gun 2-2025  Stamped Dec-03 1964</p>
<p><strong># 171000</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff6600"># 171294 Model 1200 Riot Gun 12 Ga stamped “NHPD 36″ -2 and 3/4” ch &#038;“jewelled bolt”. 18″ barrel marked “RIOT” Stamped Dec-04, 1964 09-2026</span></p>
<p><strong># 172000</strong></p>
<p># 172XXX Model 1200 12 Ga 28“Pl Bl Jew Bolt 2/12/2014   </p>
<p># 172236 Model 1200 12 Ga 21in Bl Trench Gun Prototype – S.Landman 06-2026 Stamped Dec-09, 1964</p>
<p><strong># 173000</strong></p>
<p><strong># 174000</strong></p>
<p><strong># 175000</strong></p>
<p><strong># 176000</strong></p>
<p># 176779 Model 1200 12ga w/ 4 Bl set including, ONE 30" with fixed Full choke, ONE 28" with fixed Mod choke, One 26" with fixed Imp Cyl choke, ONE 22" sm0oth bore DEER SLUG barrel with rifle sights, ALL 2-3/4" chamber, Red W PG Cap GB 246064235 <a href="http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SendMailToUser.aspx?User=11735&amp;Item=246064235" target="_blank"><strong>DIAMOND</strong></a> SILT, CO 81652-9587 No Barrel Address  6 Photos Warranty + Red Box 1966  Woodwork   8/9/2011   Stamped Dec-22 1964</p>
<p><strong># 177000</strong></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester 1897 Correcting</title>
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<p><strong>Corey Freeman said </strong><br />
That's interesting about the handle.<br />
I was not aware that there was a different length for the early 1897s. Can you tell me what I should be looking for to make it at least look period correct?<br />
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<p>Corey,</p>
<p>There is no length difference in the early Model 1897 slide handle stocks.  The first difference is the transition from the 3-screw style (Pre-C and C-series) to the D-series slide handles (with no screws), but the length stated the same.  In total, just three variations of slide handle stocks were used for the Model 1897 (97).  Refer to my recent article in the Spring 2026 Collector magazine - <a href="https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202603/" target="_blank">2026 Spring (winchestercollector.org)</a></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 23:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Corey Freeman on New Addition of a Model 12 Possibly 4 Digit S/N</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Finally got to take it for a test drive today.</p>
<p>Special ordered 2.5" shells for it.</p>
<p>It worked great.</p>
<p>I do have a "Normal Operation" question. When the shells are loaded, are they supposed to be held in by the lip under the bolt or just by the loading gate?</p>
<p>This gun only retains them by the loading gate. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Corey Freeman on Winchester 1897 Correcting</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That's interesting about the handle.</p>
<p>I was not aware that there was a different length for the early 1897s. Can you tell me what I should be looking for to make it at least look period correct?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 22:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bill Hanzel on Model 37 .410 SNAKE GUN made for Jon Olin for Nilo Plantation</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Pictures?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 20:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BLSpindle15 on Model 37 .410 SNAKE GUN made for Jon Olin for Nilo Plantation</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have a Winchester Model 37 .410 Snake gun That Mr.Olin had Winchester build by his design for his Nilo Plantation in Albany Ga. He had something like 30 of these made. I cannot get an exact number from what ive found out. There is not a whole lot of information period on the gun. The Book THE LEGEND has been the biggest help and all it gave me was about 3 or 4 sentences. Im curious if anyone has any knowledge on this gun or any interest in it.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Orphan Model 25 "ruined" by Deluxe Polychoke. Really?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Rick, that's a very helpful idea. Thank you!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 18:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ricklin on Winchester 1897 Correcting</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Huge improvement. But not period correct at all. The corncob style is period correct, the longer pump handle came much later to the M12.</p>
<p>I do not know if a corncob style reproduction is available, I am thinking no. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 16:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ricklin on Orphan Model 25 "ruined" by Deluxe Polychoke. Really?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Mike Orlen in Massachusetts does great barrel work and is far less costly than Briley. Pretty easy to do in most cases, send only the barrel.</p>
<p>I've been well pleased with Mike's work and his turnaround is fast. I think he had my old 31 barrel for a day, no more than 2. Mike cut it back to 27" reset the bead, and supplied 3 chokes for the newly machined barrel. A touch over 200 bucks a few years ago.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ricklin on New Addition of a Model 12 Possibly 4 Digit S/N</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That is an honest looking gun Corey, congrats.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 16:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>DQL5150 on New Addition of a Model 12 Possibly 4 Digit S/N</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on the fine looking model 12!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 23:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun with Factory Cutts Compensator.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Winchester offered the Skeet Gun w/Cutts Compensator in the years 1939 - 1954.  I do not know what the value range is for them.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 19:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 12 Hard Case ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Winchester provided their own cases when so ordered.  The Cassell case is an aftermarket item.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on New Addition of a Model 12 Possibly 4 Digit S/N</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good luck with your new gun. I hope you enjoy it. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 06:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>86Win on Model 12 Hard Case ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I found a newspaper article dated Feb. 1, 1953 where a remington  32 shotgun  (2 barrels) SN 2949 had been stolen from a Cassel case.</p>
<p>That is all I have found so far. Don</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 04:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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