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                    <title>Bo Rich on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I know of some who back in the 1970s added a vent rib to there Model 37 to use as there trap gun.  They still do very well at our local turkey shoots.  I get a kick out of it, when my buddy wins a turkey shoot using his Model 37.  Knocking out them with there more expensive modern shotguns.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I didn't know Winchester offered a single barrel trap assembly for the Model 101 until.friend MidwestCrisis bought one. When he sees this post maybe he will put up a photo. </p>
<p>I do remember that in the mid-Fifties Ithaca still made a very expensive single barrel trap gun. Very handsome it was, too and available in ascending orders of splenditude for those unconcerned with price. </p>
<p>I didn't know anything about trap and wondered what an owner would do about doubles. </p>
<p>I have a Model 37 16 gauge that a declining friend gave me last year. I think it is a neat little gun and plan to keep it for a future young shooter. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 01:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on MODEL 23 LIGHT DUCK</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree. I never did care for the "bag" grip of the 101 and 23 Pigeon Grades, even though i had a 101 PG 12 gauge as well as the 23. When I bought them, I had never seen the blue 23 guns. I can take the nitride finished receivers or leave them alone but my preference is for plain blue. The problem with the bag grips is their radii were too tight, unlike the semi-pistol round knob grips of the Browning Superposed. </p>
<p>But the capped grip you see on the Model 21 is just right and that's what your 23 has as well. </p>
<p>I had always wanted a Model 21 Skeet Gun with a straight grip but when I finally got a 21, it was a Skeet Gun with a fairly open, uncapped pistol grip. It is a 1947 vintage gun but with the earlier 26" barrels, pretty whippy and no tendency to follow through. The pistol grip gives me enough extra control to pull the gun through the target. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillVallette on MODEL 23 LIGHT DUCK</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
I don't think any of the Model 23 guns were made without automatic selective ejectors.  The Model 23 is essentially a version of the Manufrance "Robust" model, made by Olin-Kodensha for Winchester. <br />
I once owned a Pigeon Grade Model 23 20 gauge with Winchokes and it was a fine upland gun for doves. However, I think the Light Duck version is far more elegant and closely resembles the Model 21 with its capped pistol grip and long semi-beavertail forearm.  <br />
If your Light Duck is in as fine a condition cosmetically as it appears to be and is mechanically the same, I would for my own use either have the chokes polished out to something more open -- perhaps IC and Improved Modified - or investigate having tubes installed. I am not a waterfowl hunter. <br />
However, the last time I looked on the Briley Website, the firm would no longer install tubes on side-by-side doubles. Briley's last price for that work that I saw was five hundred dollars. Simmons used to do such work. I understand that it is an operation that, if done poorly, can alter where the gun shoots and not in a good way. <br />
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<p>My plan is to send the barrels to Briley for thin walls or at the very least open them to IC MOD.</p>
<p>i looked at many of these and this is the cleanest one I found. I almost got a pigeon grade until I realized they have a semi pistol grip and the light duck just looks more like my 21, a mini me sorta!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on MODEL 23 LIGHT DUCK</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I don't think any of the Model 23 guns were made without automatic selective ejectors.  The Model 23 is essentially a version of the Manufrance "Robust" model, made by Olin-Kodensha for Winchester. </p>
<p>I once owned a Pigeon Grade Model 23 20 gauge with Winchokes and it was a fine upland gun for doves. However, I think the Light Duck version is far more elegant and closely resembles the Model 21 with its capped pistol grip and long semi-beavertail forearm.  </p>
<p>If your Light Duck is in as fine a condition cosmetically as it appears to be and is mechanically the same, I would for my own use either have the chokes polished out to something more open -- perhaps IC and Improved Modified - or investigate having tubes installed. I am not a waterfowl hunter. </p>
<p>However, the last time I looked on the Briley Website, the firm would no longer install tubes on side-by-side doubles. Briley's last price for that work that I saw was five hundred dollars. Simmons used to do such work. I understand that it is an operation that, if done poorly, can alter where the gun shoots and not in a good way. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ricklin on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Single barrel guns suffer the old red headed stepchild syndrome. don't overlook the truly great single barrel guns on which ALL the manufacturer's lavished their attention. As a shooting sport trap has been supplanted by other shotgun games. Esp. the 1900's the game of trap was THE shotgun game. I believe Winchester never offered a bespoke single barrel trap gun. Not to the extent of LC Smith, Ithaca, and Parker, the shotgun makers back then were very much win on Sunday and sell on Monday. They also lavished their engineering attention on the trap guns. Choking especially. The floating rib of my 1918 Smith SBT does not rattle after over a hundred years and who knows how many rounds. It also has he finest trigger of any gun I own. A previous owner screwed a walnut strip on top anything for another bird or two.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 22:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on MODEL 23 LIGHT DUCK</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My only thought would be that the E = Ejectors</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillVallette on MODEL 23 LIGHT DUCK</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hello folks,</p>
<p>I just bought a model 23 "light duck" from Steve Barnett fine arms and the serial number is LD-72E and from what I gather there are no letters or information on these models? Does anyone know what the letter E denotes? I already have a model 21 in 12g and needed a subgauge Winchester to compete in our Winchester Cup competition and figured this is a fine gun for that although the Full full chokes don't thrill me! </p>
<p>Thanks I just wanted some input from those with experience on these models.'</p>
<p>Billy Vallette<img data-upload="1" data-width="1500" data-height="1000" title="22839_03.jpg" alt="22839_03.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/billvallette/2026/07/22839_03.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1500" data-height="1000" title="22839_07.jpg" alt="22839_07.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/billvallette/2026/07/22839_07.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 13:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>jkingrph on Model 1200 barrel compatibility</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have an older Winchester model 1200 20 ga pump and was wanting a slug barrel.  I found one on ebay marked for 120/1200 and when it came it it is just marked for a model 120 ranger.   It seems to fit the gun fine but I noticed it has two gas ports as if for a semi auto.  Is it safe to use on my pump shotgun?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2026 20:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>jlb on Model 12 safety </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a home made safety like the Crowe safety.  All of my model 12 guns have Crowe safety and they really easy to use.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 03:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Duckman1975 on Gun stock carving </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good evening everyone! I have been trying to contact a gunstock carver, actually 3 of them that you can find on-line and have sent each multiple emails and even a Facebook message with no reply’s whatsoever. So I was hoping that I might find some information here as to a carver that would be interested in creating an upland game themed type of carving on one of my model 12’s. So if anyone has someone in mind could you let me know? Thanks, Larry.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 22:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>eddixon on Model 12 safety </title>
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<p><strong>Chuck said </strong><br />
I didn't find a picture or mention of it in Dave Rifle's Model 12 book?  Serial #1, 40, 44 and 42,360 do not have it?  173,216 is a 1918 shotgun.<br />
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<p>I have another model 12 16 gauge that doesn’t have it it is serial number 236977</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 18:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Model 12 safety </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I didn't find a picture or mention of it in Dave Rifle's Model 12 book?  Serial #1, 40, 44 and 42,360 do not have it?  173,216 is a 1918 shotgun.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>eddixon on Model 12 safety </title>
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<p><strong>Barryf448 said </strong><br />
Yes, that’s an early Model 12 safety. Winchester used this style on some of the earlier guns before switching to the more common cross-bolt push-button safety with the red indicator. It’s not something you see very often, which is why it catches people’s attention. If you can post the serial number or approximate year of manufacture, that would help determine exactly when Winchester used this variation<br />
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<p>Serial number is 173216 and it is a 16 gauge </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Barryf448 on Model 12 safety </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that’s an early Model 12 safety. Winchester used this style on some of the earlier guns before switching to the more common cross-bolt push-button safety with the red indicator. It’s not something you see very often, which is why it catches people’s attention. If you can post the serial number or approximate year of manufacture, that would help determine exactly when Winchester used this variation</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 17:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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