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Chuck said
I may have confused some people with my first post.  Winchester made a hand full of different animals for the commercial market.  But made many thousands for the Military market.  These don't have animals.  Anson Mills bought 10's of thousands of buckles for his Mills belts.
 
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The parker dog head is similar but his head's facing the opposite direction. It doesn't have any makers marks, it may be from a smaller leather makers or sold from catalogs like Sears, I think it's cool 

]]> Mon, 09 Nov 2026 17:28:12 +0000 TonyG on 1897 military marks https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186512 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186512 I thought as much, just wanted conformation. 

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 22:20:08 +0000 Chuck on Shotgun cartridge belt https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/shotgun-cartridge-belt/#p186511 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/shotgun-cartridge-belt/#p186511 I may have confused some people with my first post.  Winchester made a hand full of different animals for the commercial market.  But made many thousands for the Military market.  These don't have animals.  Anson Mills bought 10's of thousands of buckles for his Mills belts.

 

parker shotgun dogs head - Search

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TonyG said
I came across this just the other day. I know the heat shield has been replaced but was curious about the military marks. If they look legit or not. The serial number comes back as a 1910. It also looks to me like it has been refinished at some point (just looks too good for a 1910).
  

100% FAKE martial markings and gun!

Bert

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]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 20:53:16 +0000 Ricklin on Model 1912 12 GA Barrel configuration https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/model-1912-12-ga-barrel-configuration/#p186497 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/model-1912-12-ga-barrel-configuration/#p186497 The choke, rib and 32" barrell makes me think you have someones old trap gun. Is it a graded gun? They are marked trap or skeet if so graded. You can measure to determine if the stock has been cut should you desire getting rid of the white line pad which is not original. Reproductions of the original butt plate are available from Connecticut shotgun. Very original looking gun, other than the pad. If you are lucky the stock may not have been cut down. I do like a good pad on an M-12 for trap, I like extra weight too for a dedicated trap gun. Extra weight and a good pad means I can still shoot my M12, I prefer it's "modern replacement the Super X 1 is my main squeeze for trap.

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 20:03:59 +0000 Ricklin on Shotgun cartridge belt https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/shotgun-cartridge-belt/#p186495 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/shotgun-cartridge-belt/#p186495 Compare the dog's head to the one seen on the butt of Parker shotguns. Similar?

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 19:50:41 +0000 TonyG on 1897 military marks https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186494 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186494 When I get back home I’ll see what happened to the photos. 

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 19:45:40 +0000 cj57 on 1897 military marks https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186492 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186492 Where's the photos?

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Tom D said
1910 is too early for a legit trench gun.
  

Concur!  

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 18:03:24 +0000 Tom D on 1897 military marks https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186490 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186490 1910 is too early for a legit trench gun.

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 17:46:17 +0000 TonyG on 1897 military marks https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186486 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/1897-military-marks/#p186486 I came across this just the other day. I know the heat shield has been replaced but was curious about the military marks. If they look legit or not. The serial number comes back as a 1910. It also looks to me like it has been refinished at some point (just looks too good for a 1910).

]]> Sun, 08 Nov 2026 16:35:52 +0000 EWMN on Model 1897 takedown question https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/model-1897-takedown-question/#p186485 Winchester Shotguns https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/model-1897-takedown-question/#p186485 Screenshot_20261105_184022_Chrome.jpgScreenshot_20261105_202536_Google.jpgScreenshot_20261105_184117_Chrome.jpgthis was a interesting article.

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oldcrankyyankee said

cj57 said
Has anyone seen this belt before, it has dog head buckle with brass clips that hold 12ga shells. Not sure if the dog head is associated with Remington or Winchester? 
  

Cool old belt CJ.. I would have liked that back in my duck hunting days..
  

Thanks! It appears it was made in the 1890s- 1900, it goes well with my old shotguns 

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cj57 said
Has anyone seen this belt before, it has dog head buckle with brass clips that hold 12ga shells. Not sure if the dog head is associated with Remington or Winchester? 

  

Cool old belt CJ.. I would have liked that back in my duck hunting days..

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