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                    <title>kem@meyersandshaulis.com on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I am 6'4" and about 300 lbs so the recoil does not bother me.  I think I have given you the serial number, but if not, it is 113799.  It is a takedown.  Always thought these would have been a great forage shotgun for pack or saddlebag.  I was told the high wall action proved too expensive to use for what Winchester could charge for a single shot shot gun in the early teens.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2026 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on model 37 shootguns</title>
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<p><strong><a href="mailto:kem@meyersandshaulis.com" target="_blank">kem@meyersandshaulis.com</a> said </strong><br />
I occasionally shoot a round of trap with a full choke Model 1885 20 gauge.  I shoots well as long as you cover the bird with the barrel.  It also gets a little hot making it more difficult to extract empties the last stations. <br />
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<p>You must be a glutton for punishment!  My Single Shot high-wall (Solid frame) 20-ga shotgun kicks like a proverbial Mule, even with light Skeet loads.  At just over 5-lbs it is too light of a gun to shoot a round of trap with it.</p>
<p>Have you provided me with the serial number on your Single Shot high-wall shotgun?  Currently, I have (109) of them documented (nearly all is the 113462 - 114855 serial range).</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kem@meyersandshaulis.com on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I occasionally shoot a round of trap with a full choke Model 1885 20 gauge.  I shoots well as long as you cover the bird with the barrel.  It also gets a little hot making it more difficult to extract empties the last stations. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2026 15:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I can fit the buttplate on this little 16 gauge, we can provide you that experience.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 14:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on model 37 shootguns</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Maybe one of you can explain to me the attraction of a single barrel break-open gun for trap shooting.  I know there's a lot of trap shooters who favor them. But I don't understand why. <br />
I do understand the advantage of weight in a gun used for competitive clay target shooting. <br />
But an over/under gun can be heavier unless the single is especially weighted for the purpose. <br />
I would think a higjh shooting 12 gauge Superposed with 32" barrels choked Improved Modified and Full and with a heavy rib to incresse weight to 9 pounds, an ideal trap gun.<br />
What does such a gun lack that a single barrel trap gun can offer?<br />
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<p>Zeb-</p>
<p>Only thing I can think of is personal preference. I've tried a few BT-99's and they just don't feel right. I like the way a 37 feels but have never fired one. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 02:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 37 shootguns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one of you can explain to me the attraction of a single barrel break-open gun for trap shooting.  I know there's a lot of trap shooters who favor them. But I don't understand why. </p>
<p>I do understand the advantage of weight in a gun used for competitive clay target shooting. </p>
<p>But an over/under gun can be heavier unless the single is especially weighted for the purpose. </p>
<p>I would think a higjh shooting 12 gauge Superposed with 32" barrels choked Improved Modified and Full and with a heavy rib to incresse weight to 9 pounds, an ideal trap gun.</p>
<p>What does such a gun lack that a single barrel trap gun can offer?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ricklin on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good deal, I may get one of those round tuits for WACA. The pad and the very slight wear where the slide runs on the mag tube were both major clues. Even in pictures original has a softer look and honest wear is impossible to fake. Old and original guns are not shiny. Light reflects more softly.</p>
<p>I think the best advice is as always, homework. When you get the rare opportunity to examine an unaltered original take note. And enquiring here is among the things smart guys do.</p>
<p>Bravo on posting pics from the git go, makes all the difference. You have a neat old 97 there, do avoid steel shot. You might consider opening the choke as the gun has limited usefulness today. While the old boys at Winchester bored some great chokes, those chokes were designed for fiber wads and cardboard. Modern plastic wads shoot about one choke tighter in the old guns, that makes a Winchester full mighty tight.</p>
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<p>I like Mike Orlen in MA. for barrel work he is all that, fast, reasonable and superb work. Were that my gun? Cut it back to 26 or 27 and have Mike screw choke it. The gun is a shooter so shoot the darn thing. </p>
<p>I like screw in chokes on classic guns, keeps the look the same as ever, and makes the gun FAR more useful. You could also give trap shooting a go, if your personality leans toward perfection give trap a go.</p>
<p>Mike did a real nice old Remington 31 I had, the true ball bearing pump gun, yes smoother than an M12. Mike cut it back to 27 moved the bead and supplied 3 chokes. Once almost useless now a fine old all rounder. Less than 250 bucks just a few years ago. You only need to ship the barrel which is not a gun.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Gun stock carving </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>"Everybody to his own choice" etc. But I have yet to see a Winchester with a carved stock that didn't wear the Mark of Caine, priice-wise. A lot of it is ghastly.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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<p><strong>Ricklin said </strong><br />
Thanks for that Bert. I could not get the link to work. From the pics it does look like a high quality refinishing job. I know enough to be dangerous. The gun in question looks hot blued to my eye. Were not the early 1897's rust blued?<br />
Funny, a British best gun can go back to it's maker and be refinished and be worth more after. Not the case here in the good old USA where manufacturer's don't offer refinishing. Maybe Colt still does? <br />
I don't know the status of factory records on the 1897, there is darn little for the model 12. Be really wary of fakes when collecting Winchester shotguns in general. There are lots of folks here way more knowledgeable than myself. Always post pics and serial numbers when enquiring.<br />
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<p>As a WACA Guest, you do not have access to the Winchester Collector magazine archives (you need to be a WACA Member in good standing).  I will encourage you to become a full WACA member versus a Guest.</p>
<p>Yes, the pre-1939 Model 1897s were manufactured with a "rust" blued barrel and magazine tube.  The receiver frames were "machine" blued.</p>
<p>The factory ledger records exist (at the CFM records office) for the Model 1897 through serial number <strong>377999</strong>.  The Polishing Room (PR) serialization records are complete through the end of production (s/n 1024701) on September 30th, 1957.  For the Model 1912 (12), only the PR records exist.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ricklin on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Bert. I could not get the link to work. From the pics it does look like a high quality refinishing job. I know enough to be dangerous. The gun in question looks hot blued to my eye. Were not the early 1897's rust blued?</p>
<p>Funny, a British best gun can go back to it's maker and be refinished and be worth more after. Not the case here in the good old USA where manufacturer's don't offer refinishing. Maybe Colt still does? </p>
<p>I don't know the status of factory records on the 1897, there is darn little for the model 12. Be really wary of fakes when collecting Winchester shotguns in general. There are lots of folks here way more knowledgeable than myself. Always post pics and serial numbers when enquiring.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Positively a refinished gun.  Both the wood &#038; steel have been refinished, and the recoil pad is an aftermarket alteration.  If the stock was cut (shortened) to install the recoil pad, that further degrades to gun.</p>
<p>What is the serial number?  With it, I can determine the precise date of manufacture (day, month, &#038; year).  Does it have a matted barrel and receiver top?</p>
<p>Have you read my recent article - <a href="https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202603/" target="_blank">2026 Spring (winchestercollector.org)</a></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 02:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t see a picture of the barrel address.  The action bar stamps don’t look like they have been polished.  The receiver polish looks good to me, but I have no clue.  Just my observations    </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 00:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I love the 1897 black diamond shotguns; I suspect that it has been refinished. The ventilated recoil pad is a strong indicator of this. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 00:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chuck.  You may have a real gem there.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 00:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Trying to learn more about my 1897 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The shotgun looks brand new if not refinished at some time.  You need someone to take a better look at it for you.  Hopefully one of the experts will respond.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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