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                    <title>mrcvs on Winchester Model 24s</title>
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<p><strong>James W said </strong><br />
Rumor has it that if you take two Model 37s and tie them together side by side you have a Model 24. But, I always wanted one. If I ever find a nice one for sale at a show, I will grab it. I'd like to have a 12 or a 20 gauge. Supposedly, and good utility gun. Reliable. For a grand or so, you should do well. 🙂<br />
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<p>Well, IDK.  Even in 20 gauge, this seems it shouldn’t be much more than a half a grand shotgun.  For a grand, you can get something much sleeker, like a Parker Trojan.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2026 12:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on Winchester Model 24s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Go to GOOGLE. Type in: "YouTube American Rifleman Winchester Model 24". Neat video entitled "I Have This Old Gun".</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2026 12:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on Winchester Model 24s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Rumor has it that if you take two Model 37s and tie them together side by side you have a Model 24. But, I always wanted one. If I ever find a nice one for sale at a show, I will grab it. I'd like to have a 12 or a 20 gauge. Supposedly, and good utility gun. Reliable. For a grand or so, you should do well. 🙂</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Winchester Model 24s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Ian-</p>
<p>I've always been drawn to the Model 24 and if I find one in the configuration and condition I like I hope to have the necessary jingle in my pocket to bring it home. I don't think any of them get the respect they deserve but I'd prefer the 20 and 12 over the 16 as I want to shoot it and prefer my ammo the same as my women; cheap and available. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" />Like any other collector Winchester condition is very important and with the limited interest it could be more important than with other models. Have you shot them? I've never handled one much.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2026 02:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Winchester Model 24s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>These ARE pre 64, but rather boxy and ungainly.</p>
<p>Any desirability here and what do these tend to run?</p>
<p>12 gauge (boat anchors these days)</p>
<p>16 gauge </p>
<p>20 gauge</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2026 01:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tdnathens on Winchester Model 12 Serial Numbers Questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thank You Bert.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 01:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester Model 12 Serial Numbers Questions</title>
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<p><strong>tdnathens said </strong><br />
Hi; I realize this forum is several years old. Just thought I'd try for an answer. I have a twelve-gauge Model 12, 30-inch, full choke. Serial # 544023. When was it produced?<br />
Thanks; Tom<br />
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<p>January 1928.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 00:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tdnathens on Winchester Model 12 Serial Numbers Questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi; I realize this forum is several years old. Just thought I'd try for an answer. I have a twelve-gauge Model 12, 30-inch, full choke. Serial # 544023. When was it produced?</p>
<p>Thanks; Tom</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 00:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 1897 date of production</title>
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<strong>tdnathens said </strong><br />
Hi; I keep reading that for Model 1897's the factory records before 1904 and after 1949 are missing, and the missing years are just estimates. Is this true?<br />
Thanks; Tom<br />
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<p>Where are you reading that? NO, that is not the truth!</p>
<p>The real truth is this; </p>
<p>(1) The serialization (Polishing Room) records exist for the entire 60-year production run (July 1897 through December 1957.  The PR records provide the exact date that the serial number was stamped on the receiver frame, which is per Federal law, is the official date of manufacture. </p>
<p>(2) The original factory warehouse ledger records exist up through serial number 377999 (serialized on July 8th, 1907).  The warehouse ledger records provide the specific configuration details and the date the gun was received in the shipping warehouse from the Proofing Room.  The typical time differential between the PR date and the received in warehouse date was less than two weeks.</p>
<p>Both the PR and Warehouse records are used by the Cody Firearms Museum (CFM) records office to create a Factory letter when ordered.  If the serial number is in the 378000 - 1027401, you can request a "SNA" (Serial Number Application) letter. This is a standard CFM factory letter:</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1700" data-height="2200" title="Model-1897-36850-edit.jpg" alt="Model-1897-36850-edit.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/10/Model-1897-36850-edit.jpg" /></p>
<p>What is known, is that nearly all of the previously published Model 1897 date of manufacture information in books and on the internet are grossly inaccurate.  The only known accurate DOM look-up information for the Model 1897 is the one found here on the WACA website (I created it) - <a href="https://winchestercollector.org/dates/" target="_blank">Dates -Winchester Collector</a></p>
<p>Further, I just recently published an informative article discussing the entire 60-year production run for the Model 1897, and in that article, I provided the annual production table listing the year ending serial numbers.</p>
<p><a href="https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202603/" target="_blank">2026 Spring (winchestercollector.org)</a></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="820" data-height="1983" title="Model-1897-DOM-Table.jpg" alt="Model-1897-DOM-Table.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/10/Model-1897-DOM-Table.jpg" /></p>
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<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tdnathens on Model 1897 date of production</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi; I keep reading that for Model 1897's the factory records before 1904 and after 1949 are missing, and the missing years are just estimates. Is this true?</p>
<p>Thanks; Tom</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 16:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 1897 date of production</title>
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<strong>tdnathens said </strong><br />
Thanks Bert for the information. Are these dates when they were made or when they were shipped from the factory?<br />
Thanks, Tom<br />
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<p>They are the manufacture date.  There are no surviving records to tell us when or where they were shipped.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 03:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tdnathens on Model 1897 date of production</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bert for the information. Are these dates when they were made or when they were shipped from the factory?</p>
<p>Thanks, Tom</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 1897 date of production</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>417908 - June 1908 </p>
<p>915757 - October 1940</p>
<p>1010601 - May 1953</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tdnathens on Model 1897 date of production</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi; I have three Model 1897's I would appreciate being dated.</p>
<p>D   417908  12ga  24" Cylinder</p>
<p>E  1010601  12ga  30"  Full</p>
<p>E  915757    16ga  26"  Modified </p>
<p>Thanks;  Tom </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 21:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bo Rich on Engraved Black Diamond 1897 20 gauge at OGCA/WACA show.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,   Yes the bolt is marked Trap Gun.  I will try to get pictures to you on Sunday.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2026 13:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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