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                    <title>Bert H. on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
I have never seen a note added to the ledger like that in the 73's.<br />
Bob<br />
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<p>As I mentioned, it is very rare to find a ledger entry with an addendum page, but they certainly do exist.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,</p>
<p>I do find this interesting, as the addendum Bert is talking about, in the 1885 S S Ledgers make some sense to me, and that Bob stated the he hasn't seen this in the 1873 ledgers, is also an interesting point as these two fine models overlap each other and aren't that far apart in all actuality. </p>
<p>Tony </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 22:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>King Medallion on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have a Buffalo Bill 30-30 and a Chief Crazy Horse 38-55. I not only shoot them, I hunted with the CCH last year and got a nice 8 point and a fat doe with it.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 21:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have never seen a note added to the ledger like that in the 73's.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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Bert H. said</p>
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steve004 said<br />
There's an amazing amount of information on some of these letters - I'd love to see the actual ledger pages - fitting all this information on one line?!<br />
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<p>Steve,<br />
The added information was not actually written into the ledger record.  Instead, a handwritten addendum page was added (inserted) in the ledger records.  I have found at least (100) addendum pages in the Single Shot ledgers alone.<br />
This is an example for Single Shot serial number 58620.  Note that it was changed from a 40/90 St to a 32-40.<br />
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Bert<br />
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<p>Thanks Bert!  I had never heard of such a thing.<br />
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<p>You are welcome.</p>
<p>I suspected as much, and I assumed that the vast majority of our forum regulars were also unaware... which is why I interjected with my post &#038; pictures.</p>
<p>I will add that those inserted addendum pages are <em><strong>very</strong></em> infrequent.  More than 99% of the entries simply list an "R&#038;R" or "Ret &#038; Rep" entry with a work order number.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 18:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<p>steve004 said<br />
There's an amazing amount of information on some of these letters - I'd love to see the actual ledger pages - fitting all this information on one line?!<br />
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<p>Steve,<br />
The added information was not actually written into the ledger record.  Instead, a handwritten addendum page was added (inserted) in the ledger records.  I have found at least (100) addendum pages in the Single Shot ledgers alone.<br />
This is an example for Single Shot serial number 58620.  Note that it was changed from a 40/90 St to a 32-40.</p>
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Bert<br />
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<p>Thanks Bert!  I had never heard of such a thing.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 18:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong><br />
There's an amazing amount of information on some of these letters - I'd love to see the actual ledger pages - fitting all this information on one line?!<br />
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<p>Steve,</p>
<p>The added information was not actually written into the ledger record.  Instead, a handwritten addendum page was added (inserted) in the ledger records.  I have found at least (100) addendum pages in the Single Shot ledgers alone.</p>
<p>This is an example for Single Shot serial number 58620.  Note that it was changed from a 40/90 St to a 32-40.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="3656" data-height="2374" title="58620.jpg" alt="58620.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/07/58620.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3727" data-height="2361" title="58620-1.jpg" alt="58620-1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/07/58620-1.jpg" /></p>
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<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 17:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Buckums on M70 Stock Recommendations and Opinions Needed</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lou, and thank you for the response.   the serial number is 129807, and below is a pic of the tang.   That is a dandy buck and I really like that stock on your 30.06.   that is much more my taste.   As I was cleaning the rifle, on the butt plate it is stamped with "BISHOP".  After some research, it looks like a semi custom stock maker from that era.  Used Ozark Walnut, which is cool since that is my stomping grounds.  I have not noticed that marking before.  After cleaning it up a bit, the stock is growing on my somewhat, but the weight is too far back and it doesn't balance well, like my factory stocked 375 H&#038;H M70 does.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 16:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong><br />
There's an amazing amount of information on some of these letters - I'd love to see the actual ledger pages - fitting all this information on one line?!<br />
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<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I'm in agreement with you on that.</p>
<p>Al, and Bob, I'm grateful for the posting and information regarding the letters and their extended information. Al I do remember that one now that you mentioned it.</p>
<p>Bob, </p>
<p>That's pretty extensive for any letter, but another great reference.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing the additional information.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 16:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>There's an amazing amount of information on some of these letters - I'd love to see the actual ledger pages - fitting all this information on one line?!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<p><strong>Chris D said </strong><br />
Hi Bob, do you think Winchester would case harden a frame and lower tang after it was originally finsihed as blued? Or would they use a new reciever and lower tang? <br />
An interesing 1873 nonetheless. <br />
This August auction has some very unique Winchesters. Lot 1011 I really like, a deluxe 36'' 1873. What a unicorn. How many 36'' guns in your survey Bob? <br />
Chris<br />
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<p>They would of cased the original frame. I have seen where they changed from straight grip to pistol grip where they probably would of changed the receiver. I have 14 36" guns now.</p>
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<p><strong>Anthony said </strong>  <br />
Have you or anyone else ever seen a letter showing this much information, when returned?<br />
Tony </p>
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<p>Yes I have seen a  86 that has a two page letter that was displayed by Winchester. It changed  through its life.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 14:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tionesta1 on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>That's a great letter and model 1873, thanks for posting it. I've posted this before, but I have an antique model 1894 where the letter describes what changed when it was returned.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 13:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<strong>1873man said </strong><br />
Here is the letter Tony. The Returned Jan 6 1881 is the date it shipped back (returned) and to New York I'm thinking its a New York distributor or dealer. <br />
Bob</p>
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<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Thanks for straightening out the Letter so we could read it and view the unusual, and not seen before, at least from my perspective, very detailed write up on the work that was performed, at the end of the letter, indicating what was done when returned. I'm in agreement with you as far as the New York part which is also unusual.</p>
<p>No mention of the sling swivels on the rifle, but this is pretty common as far as the letter goes.IMO!</p>
<p>Have you or anyone else ever seen a letter showing this much information, when returned?</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 10:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chris D on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob, do you think Winchester would case harden a frame and lower tang after it was originally finsihed as blued? Or would they use a new reciever and lower tang? </p>
<p>An interesing 1873 nonetheless. </p>
<p>This August auction has some very unique Winchesters. Lot 1011 I really like, a deluxe 36'' 1873. What a unicorn. How many 36'' guns in your survey Bob? </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 06:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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<p><strong>1892takedown said </strong><br />
The pricing on a lot of these guns in the last couple years has gone out of sight whether middle of the road or high condition.  Ive lost interest being priced out of what I think is reasonable.  Now a days it has to be something I really selectively want to consider buying.   <br />
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<p>I’m with you on that!</p>
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