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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zeb-</p>
<p>If I'd wanted to mess around inside somebody's head I would have become a psychiatrist.  Better hours and (usually) less blood... <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>One of the "exercises" I've done for "the book" has been to put together a Chapter wherein I COMPLETELY disassembled a "representative" M70 (an early Type I-1 G7004C) so that I could show and describe every part (including pins, springs, screws, etc.) that went into one.  Naturally, that involves disassembling the bolt sleeve.  So I know how the safety works, even if I'm not qualified to work on one...  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>And before you ask... YES... I also put the rifle back together, all by myself, with no "professional help".  AND it still works!!!  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>wolfbait on Plug screws for pre 64 Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I appreciate your time responding. These look like the ones.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/394993431077?itmmeta=01KSQX4FTV5NBV00CVS5XTMJV5&#038;hash=item5bf7717225:g:RkwAAOSwc21lT~8r" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/394993431077?itmmeta=01KSQX4FTV5NBV00CVS5XTMJV5&#038;hash=item5bf7717225:g:RkwAAOSwc21lT~8r</a></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Plug screws for pre 64 Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi wollfbait-</p>
<p>Like Zeb said, pre-64 M70 plug screws are 6-48.  If it matters, the ones the factory used are slightly domed on top and don't have a "stop".  See if this pic works...</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="520" data-height="218" title="Pre-64-M70-Plug-Screws-copy.jpg" alt="Pre-64-M70-Plug-Screws-copy.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/05/Pre-64-M70-Plug-Screws-copy.jpg" /></p>
<p>Brownells sells 6-48 plug screws by the dozen.  They're either flat on top or have the "stop", but does that matter?  The ones with the stop look very much like the factory plugs when installed IMHO...</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Plug screws for pre 64 Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention three things about receiver sights:</p>
<p>1. Ben Tolson is a member. </p>
<p>2.  eBay is a common source of sights. </p>
<p>3.  Early versions of the Lyman 48WJS require you cut a piece from the stock. Don't buy one of those. You want the later one that doesn't. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Plug screws for pre 64 Model 70</title>
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<strong>wolfbait said </strong><br />
I need receiver plug screws. A guy on ebay has them, 8-40. Is that the correct size?<br />
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<p>No, 6-48 is the correct  (factory) size unless somebody has drilled the receiver out for the larger size. </p>
<p>Plug screws should have a very slight dome shaped head. </p>
<p>Brownell's will have them.  Pachmayr sells a kit of common gunsmithing screws, although that is overkill. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 17:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>wolfbait on Plug screws for pre 64 Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I need receiver plug screws. A guy on ebay has them, 8-40. Is that the correct size?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 16:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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<p><strong>Louis Luttrell said </strong><br />
Hi Wolfbait-<br />
There are a multitude of reasons why a pre-64 M70 safety will not move.  Dried gunk in the bolt sleeve preventing the safety detent plunger from depressing is one... So cleaning is the best/easiest first step...  Since it won't move off "FIRE" you can't put it into the middle position, which lets you turn the bolt sleeve/striker/spring assembly out of the bolt body easily.  That is annoying but not tragic...<br />
If soaking it doesn't help...  Possibilities...<br />
The detent plunger may be "scored" from someone trying to force it to move when it didn't want to.  What are supposed to be smooth polished angles now have "grooves" that catch edges...  It's an easy fix IF you know how to get the bolt sleeve assembly apart from the rest of the bolt.  A little polishing of the plunger (or replacing it) and "Voila!!!"<br />
IF the safety has been replaced, the engagement between the rotating barrel of the safety and the corresponding semi-circular notch in the firing pin/striker may not be aligned.  Rotating the safety is supposed to cause the vertical cylindrical part to rotate into a corresponding notch in the striker, pulling the striker back slightly, and taking all pressure off the trigger/sear.  It's easier to "show" than to "explain"...  But for that to work, a sharp corner on the safety barrel has to pass another sharp corner of the striker.  Usually it's a matter of a couple "swipes" with a polishing stone to make it work (that's what the Assemblers did in the factory), but trying to "force" it might bend the safety lever (or even snap it off) if it doesn't want to go...  So I wouldn't "get Medieval" on it if soaking doesn't work...  Take it apart or give it to someone who can...<br />
I guess this is one reason why Winchester's later Component Parts Catalogs required the gun to be sent back to the factory if you wanted work done on the safety...<br />
Best,<br />
Lou<br />
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<p>Louis, It is a continuing amazement to me you didn't opt for a neurosurgical residency. (Although you do lack the arrogance seemingly required for that subspecialty.) If ever I had to suffer someone to root around in my brain, I would search for your obsessive neurosurgical clone. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 16:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Eight hundred bucks for a nice '06 pre-64  Featherweight was a <em>very </em>good deal, compared to hammer prices for a similar gun on Gunbroker. The pre-64 Featherweight is popular compared to the Standard style, in their most heavily produced caliber. </p>
<p>If you are going to shoot iron sights, do yourself a big favor and see our own sight guru Ben, seize him by the collar and demand a deal.on a clean Lyman 48WJS micrometer receiver sight. You may have to replace the front bead with a somewhat taller one but it will be worth the difference in performance.  And it will slightly enhance your rifle's value. </p>
<p>The WJS is the Cadillac of sights for your Model 70 '06 rifle. (I usually suffer other opinions but not in this case.)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 15:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bo Rich on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Every year after Christmas/ New Years  I go through my firearms.  Wipe them down with oil, and then work the safeties.  I don’t have a problem when I do this.  Safeties, and bolt releases need to be worked, or they might not work when you need them.  I have seen this mostly on Model 12s.   The Model 12s that I have seen with stuck safeties most likely have not been worked in years.  I have used oil, and if it is really bad a wood dowl that I tap back, and forth  on the cross bolt safety until it engages properly.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 14:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>wolfbait on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I got the gun. Oil and a few mallet taps did it. Thanks, for all the advice. About time I got a pre-64 Model 70.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 00:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wolfbait-</p>
<p>There are a multitude of reasons why a pre-64 M70 safety will not move.  Dried gunk in the bolt sleeve preventing the safety detent plunger from depressing is one... So cleaning is the best/easiest first step...  Since it won't move off "FIRE" you can't put it into the middle position, which lets you turn the bolt sleeve/striker/spring assembly out of the bolt body easily.  That is annoying but not tragic...</p>
<p>If soaking it doesn't help...  Possibilities...</p>
<p>The detent plunger may be "scored" from someone trying to force it to move when it didn't want to.  What are supposed to be smooth polished angles now have "grooves" that catch edges...  It's an easy fix IF you know how to get the bolt sleeve assembly apart from the rest of the bolt.  A little polishing of the plunger (or replacing it) and "Voila!!!"</p>
<p>IF the safety has been replaced, the engagement between the rotating barrel of the safety and the corresponding semi-circular notch in the firing pin/striker may not be aligned.  Rotating the safety is supposed to cause the vertical cylindrical part to rotate into a corresponding notch in the striker, pulling the striker back slightly, and taking all pressure off the trigger/sear.  It's easier to "show" than to "explain"...<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" />  But for that to work, a sharp corner on the safety barrel has to pass another sharp corner of the striker.  Usually it's a matter of a couple "swipes" with a polishing stone to make it work (that's what the Assemblers did in the factory), but trying to "force" it might bend the safety lever (or even snap it off) if it doesn't want to go...  So I wouldn't "get Medieval" on it if soaking doesn't work...  Take it apart or give it to someone who can... <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>I guess this is one reason why Winchester's later Component Parts Catalogs required the gun to be sent back to the factory if you wanted work done on the safety...</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 22:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>wolfbait on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I am going to buy it tomorrow. Price sound about right? I am going to sell the excellent condition scope and mount/rings and shoot with open sights.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Do as these guys say, clean it.  Mine would not move.  I got a lot of dried junk out of it. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 21:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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<p><strong>wolfbait said </strong><br />
It is not just stiff, it will not move at all.<br />
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<p>The safety has three positions. Full forward is off - the bolt is unlocked and the firing pin assembly is not blocked.</p>
<p>Middle position unlocks the bolt, firing pin assembly is blocked. </p>
<p>Rear position locks the bolt. Firing pin assembly is blocked. </p>
<p>Open the action to verify chamber and magazine empty. Close bolt and pull trigger to verify it will fire. If it won't, a gunsmith should be called in.</p>
<p>If it does fire: </p>
<p>Remove the bolt. Then apply a generous amount of Kroil to the post on which the safety rotates.</p>
<p>Inspect the safety tab and post under a bright light for corrosion.</p>
<p>While allowing that to work, disassemble the bolt to remove the firing pin assembly and inspect everything for corrosion.or breakage. Lubricate and replace spring and pin assembly. If you don't know how to disassemble the bolt, consult YouTube. </p>
<p>Reinstall the bolt and try the safety again. If the safety still will.not engage, a gunsmith should diagnose the problem..</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 20:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>450 Fuller on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I rescued a transition 1949 M 70 in 270 WCF. The safety was very stiff with dried probably original oil. Would not move. I tried this-it worked:</p>
<p>Put some small rags around the safety to catch the folowing:</p>
<p>1. A bit of Kroil, penetrating oil  or Hoppes No 9 solvent placed in the safety area where the movement area is visible. Let it soak for hours or overnite.Reapply. Keep solvents AWAY FROM STOCK WOOD. Keep the bolt in the rifle as it gives the safety a secure rest while you work to free it up.</p>
<p>2. Get a rubber mallet with a piece of hardwood dowel. Gently tap the safety toward the rear. If it moves slightly, add more penetrating oil or solvent. Tap-tap and solvent. If it starts to release, tap in BOTH directions. Be patient. Put some penetrating oil in again and come back to the safety.</p>
<p>3. Alternatively, remove the bolt and place it in a jar of gasoline, safety down and jar sealed. Leave it for a few  days. Repeat steps 1 and 2. After all of this, and it still refuses to budge, try disassembly of the bolt and detailed cleaning. Still no joy, find a competent riflesmith.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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