THREEDFLYER said
Michael, 
I just sent you a PM with the serial number......feel free to post any info you might dig up on this thread.
Thanks for the help!
Tom
  

Thanks Tom.

I had not previously seen that specific rifle.  I added it into my spreadsheet and it is in a small group of other short barrel carbines in either 25-20 or 32 WCF caliber.  SN 859920 was sold at RIA back in May of 2023 as Lot 42 for $11,163.  https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/88/42/atf-exempted-winchester-model-1892-trappers-carbine

SN 859943 was sold at RIA in August of 2024 as Lot 3032 for $12,925.  https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4092/3032/winchester-model-1892-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine

That should help give you some ballpark numbers baring the fact that yours is in significantly poorer condition.

Michael

But:

Now for the bad news.  The barrel has subsequently been cut down to 20 inches and a rifle style front sight installed in a dovetail!  AAARGH

That is some seriously bad news!

I just sent you a PM with the serial number......feel free to post any info you might dig up on this thread.

Thanks for the help!

Tom

Commissioner said
Fellow: I have an 1895 Winchester in 45/70. It. Looks brand new. only Winchester markings and address,But it says made in Japan. It don’t say by who?It has a tang safety on it. It is engraved with a cheynabyl stock. Generally if the are made by Miroku they say so. It is a beautiful rifle, both the stock and forearm are finely checkered. Does anyone else have one? The Bluing is sort of a Matt blue, instead of highly polished. The barrel says “Special Steel” your reply’s are appreciated.
  

Contact the Browning Arms Company.

The style of the barrel address stamp also is very interesting when you dig into it.  When the 1892 was introduced round barrel examples had what I refer to as the Style 1C in my spreadsheet and was only used for about the first year of production.  Or so I thought.  This style has "crows feet" before and after the 2 lines of print.  The rifle in question does not have this style but has what I call the 1D style which only has a dash before and after the bottom line of print.  I then sorted my spread sheet by configuration, barrel shape, and then serial number.  Sure enough the round barrel sporting rifles used the 1C style well into 1893 (SN 15000 range) after these carbines were assembled.  BUT... When I looked at the SRC barrels the 1C style was discontinued prior to the end of 1892 (SN 6800 range).  Taht is an almost 8000 rifle difference between the time span for the usage of the barrel address styles.  Carbines assembled in early 1893 had the later 1D Style while the sporting rifles were still stamped with the 1C "crows feet" style.  Therefore, these 24 inch carbines were actually had specially made carbine barrels and not just repurposed rifle barrels.  

Now for the bad news.  The barrel has subsequently been cut down to 20 inches and a rifle style front sight installed in a dovetail!  AAARGH!!  The original "Fancy" wood can be seen in the butt stock.  There is not trace of the original "Gold Trims" as noted in the ledger.  I do really like the way the serial number is presented as if written on a scroll.  I will continue to correspond with the owner and try to find a bit more of the history if knows anything about it.

Michael

1873man said
Its similar but not the same.
Bob
  

Yes, but the Peeler family has been around since the late 1800's and the brand has changed along the way.  If you read the history you will see the original 7PL and similar markings.  The guy that has the dude/hunting ranch in Colorado is a great nephew of the family.  Maybe more than 1 great.  I have no idea how this will turn out. 

Bob

Here is a bad shot of the 1950's brand.  

Or just read this.  https://www.peelerranch.com/history/

Based on what I've observed,  buyers seem to want a 44 caliber Model 92 far more than any other, even though it was the most commonly produced.  I suppose we could call  that the desirability factor. 

I do wonder if that translates to the baby carbines?  

If desirability depends on volume of history or putative history a/k/a "stories" -- I would think a baby 44 would come up aces high. 

A trapper in the wilderness values lightness but also needs something for self-defense and edible game. While a 25 or 32 might spare hides better,  I'm guessing the 44 would be the popular choice.

The hottest story for the babies is how many went South to arm the praetorean guards of various banana republics. Surely those were mostly 44 caliber, perhaps except for an Ulrich engraved 25 for El Presidente's nieto favorito. 

Condition for condition, I bet a donut that a Model 92 44 caliber baby carbine will draw top money over the same carbine in 25 or 32. 

All proofs to the contrary will be graciously received.