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                    <title>Anthony #5411 on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The title could be changed, as it suggests a M-1907 rifle was the subject, and not the year of mfg.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>R.Marshall on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The rifle has deluxe wood and everything looks to have the same wear. Wood to metal fitment looks pretty good. Chambered in .32w.s.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Please add a clear 90-degree side view picture of the pistol grip area like this example;</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1805" data-height="891" title="H-Pattern-PG-checkering.jpeg" alt="H-Pattern-PG-checkering.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/10/H-Pattern-PG-checkering.jpeg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>R.Marshall on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>pictures of forend </p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_1041.jpg" alt="IMG_1041.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/jwdi84yahoo-com/2026/10/IMG_1041.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_1040.jpg" alt="IMG_1040.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/jwdi84yahoo-com/2026/10/IMG_1040.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>What does the checkering on the forend stock look like?</p>
<p>I personally do not believe the checkering on the pistol grip is factory original.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>R.Marshall on correct checkering for a 1907 Winchester?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a poor picture but I was wondering if this checkering looks correct for a 1907 model 1894? </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 16:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on New NFA Ruling</title>
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<p><strong>antler1 said </strong><br />
So has the new NFA ruling on SBR exempt all trapper model's from the BATF regarding firearms under 16 inches and would the BATF exemption be required to purchase a SBR trapper acquired before the recent NFA ruling? <br />
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<p>Pat,</p>
<p>At this time, there is No possible way to predict what the full impact of that ruling will be.   However, the ruling does appear to make it a strong possibility that getting a BATF clearance letter for a SBR or SBS will become a thing of the past.  For now, I strongly advise keeping any BATF clearance letters you have, and definitely hold off on sending any new requests to the BATF.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 15:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>antler1 on New NFA Ruling</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>So has the new NFA ruling on SBR exempt all trapper model's from the BATF regarding firearms under 16 inches and would the BATF exemption be required to purchase a SBR trapper acquired before the recent NFA ruling? </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony #5411 on The Doc Pardee Club, still looking for....</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Very Cool Bryan! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 13:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Scott Wagner on Winchester rifle wood colors ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Remember what woods we ended up with past 1955 to 1980.  Uff Da!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2026 22:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Scott Wagner on Winchester rifle wood colors ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Zebulon said it well and I will add.... for 150 years Winchester and other gun companies sourced wood by various means.  I'm talking color and maybe grain and burl. I believe 15 Midwest states provided good quality walnut.  Early logging provided premium old growth from a region with certain unique local soil, rainfall, and growth maturity.  I have heard the major gun manufacturers owned some timber land and leased or contracted for walnut delivery by standards.  After 20, 25 years that area and supply was exhausted.  Next location. Repeat for 7 time periods, 150 years.  I've noticed major 20 year trends of reds, browns, blacks, golden in my collecting time.   Think about what you've seen of Winchester, Remington, Marlin, Colt guns for identical 20, 25 year color trends.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2026 22:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Winchester rifle wood colors ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>What Bert says.  </p>
<p>For simplicity, let's confine the discussion to the period from the inception of WRA through 1980.</p>
<p>American Black Walnut, <em>jugens negra, </em>was always the standard material for stocks and forearms, although not always available in the quantities required and with enormous variations in color and grain, largely depending whether the blank was mostly heartwood or sapwood and, to a lesser extent, from what part of the country the tree came from. </p>
<p>When Black Walnut ran short,  wood from the sweetgum tree, <em>liquidambar styraflua, </em>was substituted, which is structurally suitable but uninteresting, and sometimes other species. </p>
<p>For fancy wood with extra color and grain, the stumps of Black Walnut were favored and reserved. In the British gunmaking business, fancy English Walnut a/k/a French or Circassian Walnut blank is often admiringly called "a hunk of stump." </p>
<p>While the difference in species yields great variations in the color of the raw wood, how it is finished and with what makes a huge difference. </p>
<p>Black Walnut can be very coarse-grained and porous and Winchester routinely used a black material to fill the pores. All the specks and splots of black are not original wood. </p>
<p>The red-brown color of Winchester wood came from an alcohol based dye sprayed on to homogenize the different colors of the wood within a raw blank, which could range from Palamino blond to green to Ebony black. Owmers who elect to refinish an old Winchester stock are sometimes shocked when they remove the old finish. </p>
<p>Oil finishes turn dark with years of exposure to the Sun, whether linseed oil or tung oil or some other variety. Add enough drying and curing agents to the oil and it is called varnish. It will degrade too but it takes longer. </p>
<p>But for the most part, Winchester's standard topcoat was not varnish but clear sprayed lacquer because it was quicker and looked nice until it started flaking and peeling. Lacquer is not very resistant to water.it can be helped by wiping on Tru-Oil or boiled linseed oil and rubbing off the excess. </p>
<p>Toward the end of ownership by Olin, modern urethane varnishes began to be employed, certainly by 1964 although some say sooner. Oil based urethane varnish is warm toned, hard and durable. It is not easily touched up or removed. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2026 21:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Winchester rifle wood colors ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>F.K.</p>
<p>My "theory" is that much of the variability in wood color seen on Winchesters in similar condition is b/c the factory used THE SAME process to finish stocks regardless of the character of the wood.  At least with M70s, it was stain, seal, fill, lacquer (two coats), checker, umber puffed on the checkering (later changed to stain), final lacquer coat.  Same steps, same stain/filler/lacquer...  No particular effort to make all M70 stocks look the same beyond imparting the color from the stain and filler...  So you ended up with anything from "pecan" to "dark walnut"...</p>
<p>Of course the stain was sprayed by hand and the filler rubbed in by hand (that's where most of the added "color" comes from), so I'm sure there was a little room for variation depending on the workman applying the finish.  But I think (???) that the variability arises from using a mass production process (everything done the same) to a starting material that was variable.</p>
<p>Yes... When it comes to M70s they did change the color of the filler in the 1960s, which accounts for the ligghter color of some late M70 stocks.  I have a copy of the Product Change Order around here somewhere...</p>
<p>Just my take,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2026 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 1892 Carbine: Factory Redo?</title>
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<p><strong>Private Smith said </strong><br />
Thanks Bert. That's what I figured, and it's good to get confirmation from an expert.<br />
I haven't encountered many '92's with a ramp front sight. It was the first thing that caught my eye while it was on the rifle rack.<br />
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<p>Winchester began using the ramp front sights co-incident with the introduction of CMS (Proof Steel) barrels in the year 1932 for the Model 94, and I assume that the Model 92 was similar.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2026 20:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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